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Old Posted Nov 15, 2018, 3:21 PM
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It wasn't directed just at him, but a general comment about the design discourse. Need of variety in architecture/materials/shapes is only a very recent concept in urban landscapes. I'm strongly of the opinion that if we did it right, we won't have to waste time aiming for "a good mix of styles". Also there are actually people who love Vancouver's aesthetics specifically because of its uniformity - for better or worse there was a unifying vision that is evident. The city has lost that vision lately though.
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Of course. I'm just saying that we don't spend enough time critiquing design, and too much time on "too much green glass, let's do black.... now there's too much black, let's get some fake art deco in the mix" ad nauseum
I'm a little confused in that your second quote suggests that critiques of design should not include the wider body of structures or the prevalence of certain styles and materials, but in your first quotes when you say "there was a unifying vision that is evident" which suggests that the uniformity (or monotony) was in fact a product of design. So if that's the case, wouldn't critiques of the results of that "unifying vision" be de facto critiques of design? And if so, does that mean both aspects of urban design should receive equal critical consideration? And if not, what arguments are there for one aspect to take precedence over the other?
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A little too touched-up for my tastes but that last one is a beautiful picture. Would love to spend an afternoon in that park, if you really can see the skyline from there
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2018, 8:38 PM
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I'm a little confused in that your second quote suggests that critiques of design should not include the wider body of structures or the prevalence of certain styles and materials, but in your first quotes when you say "there was a unifying vision that is evident" which suggests that the uniformity (or monotony) was in fact a product of design. So if that's the case, wouldn't critiques of the results of that "unifying vision" be de facto critiques of design? And if so, does that mean both aspects of urban design should receive equal critical consideration? And if not, what arguments are there for one aspect to take precedence over the other?
Aesthetic quality of a skyline is subjective and there can be many different ways to get to an attractive end result. I think Paris and Hong Kong both look interesting but they are very different. It is overly simplistic to say that there is a quality like variety that you can sprinkle into any skyline to make it better.

Vancouver is unusual for how well it turned out given how recently it was developed and how deliberately it was planned. I don't think it has the nicest skyline in North America but most of the nicer ones are older or have an architectural mix that is more or less a historic accident and not something that anybody planned explicitly. I think almost any North American city that started with clean slate type areas like False Creek in the 80's would have done much worse than Vancouver.

It's actually kind of depressing. There are lots of beautiful urban environments out there but many were created by accident and most new ones are mostly bad. The heavily "planned" ones are probably worse than average. It's not unlike the wider economy which works okay but isn't really understood by anybody.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2018, 12:05 AM
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I agree that it would be simplistic to suggest that there's a single element you could add to improve any skyline since obviously not every skyline would be lacking in the same things and some may already have so much of that trait they're at or beyond the sweet spot. But I disagree if you're suggesting that you can't observe an individual skyline and identify any skyline-wide trait that could be improved upon.

Besides, if it's simplistic to artificially sprinkle in "variety" to improve the skyline, then is it not also simplistic to artificially sprinkle in "cohesion" expecting to improve?
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A little too touched-up for my tastes but that last one is a beautiful picture. Would love to spend an afternoon in that park, if you really can see the skyline from there
You can. Almost every night you will find cars lined up at sunset and tripods set up. Its one of the best views of the city close to the core. The other side of the street is lined with century homes and one cafe with a great little patio. That view runs about a half kilometer on Broadview between the Danforth and Gerrard. It also has 2 streetcar routes that share that section of track so a nice little slicecof Toronto lufe.
     
     
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This one seems to be a few years old when they started construction on the Confederation Line (so around 2013). Other than the rail line, not much has changed from this angle.


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if it's simplistic to artificially sprinkle in "variety" to improve the skyline, then is it not also simplistic to artificially sprinkle in "cohesion" expecting to improve?
Not if the cohesion is based on functional/environmental/cultural considerations rather than a "house style". I would expect buildings in an alpine village to look like it can withstand cold and being buried in snow. A desert city should look huddled tightly together to create spaces sheltered from the sun and heat, with buildings cladded in heavy tiles as a heat sink, and covered in tensile or other shading devices. A city in a temperate climate with little sun but beautiful vistas might have buildings with wedge-shaped floorplates oriented towards the view, widely spaced and cladded in as much transparency as possible to let in the light, and have abundant growing surfaces to take in the precipitation. Construction and materials should reflect local resources. There are many ways to interpret and express these functional needs, but often certain strategies prevail due to their economy.
     
     
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Not if the cohesion is based on functional/environmental/cultural considerations rather than a "house style". I would expect buildings in an alpine village to look like it can withstand cold and being buried in snow. A desert city should look huddled tightly together to create spaces sheltered from the sun and heat, with buildings cladded in heavy tiles as a heat sink, and covered in tensile or other shading devices. A city in a temperate climate with little sun but beautiful vistas might have buildings with wedge-shaped floorplates oriented towards the view, widely spaced and cladded in as much transparency as possible to let in the light, and have abundant growing surfaces to take in the precipitation. Construction and materials should reflect local resources. There are many ways to interpret and express these functional needs, but often certain strategies prevail due to their economy.
But why would any of those things need to be added artificially for the sake of aesthetics? When you previously mentioned "a unifying vision", it sounded less like individual architects/developers independently designing buildings based on functional considerations within their context, and more like a municipality intentionally including cohesion as an aesthetic urban design element. Perhaps it was just an unfortunate choice of wording.
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