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Homelessness is not a problem that can be solved or cured. If it was, we would have solved it sometime in the last 3,000 years of humanity.
There are no homeless people in Scandinavia.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2009, 7:45 PM
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I vote we wait for a clear day.
Not only clear day, but spring or summer, since it will bring more color to it!

And East2Westback, HP is Hamilton Partner's 222 S. Main Street tower that's under construction. I don't like calling it just 222 S. Main Street, so I refer to it as the HP Tower.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2009, 9:01 PM
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all I have to say is that I really hope people in Utah stay confident and we found our way out of this recession the quickest. Imagine what that will do for Utah and business over the next decade!


Dont lose hope folks, lets get through this storm!
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2009, 9:47 PM
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"Yeah, yeah, taxes are bad and no one should pay any ever, because government is the problem. Blah, blah, blah. Thing is, that doesn't stop anyone from wanting the government to build highways, put police on the streets, and keep the air clean. It's far past time for this country to stop whining about taxes, so we can fund government to do what we want it to do. Government spending benefits us all, even if we don't immediately see the impacts." [jmonkey]

Jmonkey, I think you misunderstood my comments. I have no problem with targeted government spending on projects that have been through a cost/benefit analysis. You are right about the situation in California being more complicated, but if I tried to explain everything you guys would ban me. I agree that some people will always complain about taxes, but are also the first to complain about poor services. I am a passionate advocate for government that doesn't take the lazy way out of every problem by throwing more money at it. Delts is spot on when he says that politicians, particular in California, have forgotten how to say no or don't care anymore. I am speaking out against that mindset which tries to be all things to all people.

California's elected officials have taken its vast resources and pretended they are Santa Claus. Santa may be able to get his toys and goodies from some magical place where he has endless free labor from elves, but California needs to come back from the North Pole and remember that their resources are limited. Businesses and citizens can only be taxed so much until they vote with their feet and leave.

If and when this happens Utah will be ready to capitalize and we will be stronger because of their recklessness. I come from the position that business is societies golden goose. I believe that the amazing projects we see being proposed in Utah are the fruits of creating an environment that is fertile ground for entrepreneurs and developers. Of course we have to always balance the interests and needs of other groups when they come in conflict with these policies. California is a example of that balancing act out of wack.
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2009, 10:09 PM
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There are no homeless people in Scandinavia.
You are clueless if you really believe that. Search the "Encyclopedia of Homelessness," by David Levinson, on Google Books.

Page 555: "Still, the homelessness rate in Sweden is not lower than the European average."

This really just proves my point. The article goes on to talk about Sweeden's need-based public housing programs that provide free housing to anyone unable to afford their own. Despite these programs, they still have homeless rates similar to the rest of Europe. This just goes to show that there is a certain part of the population that you can't help. I'm not saying you shouldn't try, but I am saying that 100% housing is not a realistic goal (just as 100% employment is impossible to attain).

I can't see the entires for Norway and Finland in the Google Books preview, but it's just silly to claim that there is "no" homelessness in those countries.

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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 1:46 AM
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Previously posted on the Utah Irrelevent Thread. Thanks Venice for the friendly article.

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For all the haters, this is from the Houston Chronicle.....

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah —Skiers who flock to this region for its legendary white powder and steep slopes often grab the first shuttle to their resort of choice, bypassing the state’s capital city.

But to do so is to miss half the fun.

This cultural oasis in the middle of the desert has been defying expectations since its founding in 1847 by Mormon settlers, or Latter-Day Saints as they prefer to be called, and it’s continued to yield surprises and contradictions ever since.

Salt Lake City once may have been a homogenous, conservative town, but today it’s surprisingly diverse and cosmopolitan for a city of 180,000. Its selection as the host city for the 2002 Olympic Games turned a sleepy mountain town into a metropolis as it added high-rises, an efficient light-rail system and a sparkling new outdoor mall downtown, the Gateway.

Lunch at the One World Cafe, dinner at the Himalayan Kitchen and midnight sushi at Sapporo gave me just a taste of the delightful international fusion this city has become. The Asian fusion cuisine of ThaiFoon in the Gateway is as delicious as it is cleverly named. And I long will remember the chicken souvlaki at Greek Souvlaki, named Best Quick Eats of 2008 by City Weekly.

Theoretically, bars are prohibited in Salt Lake City, in accordance with the Mormon prohibition of alcohol. But while the church has a certain amount of influence, alcohol of all kinds is served freely at restaurants and private clubs that you can join for a small fee, and you can get a beer or wine spritzer at local brew pubs and taverns. The Tavernacle Social Club, for example, is right down the street from the Tabernacle, the very same one that the famous choir performs in every Sunday for a television broadcast beamed all over the world.

At the Gateway, I kept exclaiming at its beauty as my friend Suan Pineda, who works for the Salt Lake Tribune, led me through a promenade of lighted trees, fountains that played in time with classical music and by a stream that flowed through granite boulders, among strategically placed to look as though they’d been there since the beginning of time. “It’s just a mall,” she teased. Maybe so, I thought later, warming my hands at the fire pit next to the fountain, but wouldn’t it be nice if all malls were this beautiful?

Nature is gracefully integrated throughout the city, as well, such as in the clear mountain stream flowing through the boulders and under a bridge alongside Temple Street, and the four-acre rooftop garden on top of the LDS Conference Center.

Like most of those who make Salt Lake City a wintertime destination, I was there to ski. I have closed my door, politely but firmly, on many LDS missionaries over the years, so Temple Square wasn’t at the top of my priority list for this visit — until I drove into town at sunset and saw the Salt Lake Temple spires looming over the city like Cinderella’s Castle.

I decided to take the plunge and do the tour of Temple Square. Standing at the foot of the temple and across from the reflecting pool, I realized that I was in the mecca of a global religion.

Two lovely young women — Sister Claire Rafidiarimanda, 22, from France, and Sister Karen McKay, 21, from California — greeted me enthusiastically. No one else had arrived for this particular tour, so I had them all to myself as they led me through the North Visitors’ Center, the Tabernacle and the Assembly Hall, but not the temple. Only church members in good standing are allowed inside it.

Their faces shone earnestly as they discussed each treasured item of their spiritual patrimony, and the story of their faith unfolded before me as we walked along. Their answers to tough questions were sincere and heartfelt: about polygamy (which has been prohibited by the church since 1890) and sexism (all church prophets and apostles have been white males — not so different from the leaders of other major denominations). It was a half-hour well spent, and I left with a better feel for a widely misunderstood religion.

After the tour, I spent a couple of fascinating hours in the Family History Library, a vast compendium of public documents staffed by an army of docents willing to help you flesh out your family tree. I found my ancestors in census reports dating to the mid-1800s, World War I military records for my great-grandfathers, an immigration document for a great-aunt I never knew I had — and I was just getting started when the clock hit 9 p.m., closing time.

One more wonderful find worth mentioning: The Natural History Museum at the University of Utah offers a beautifully presented overview of the region’s geology, anthropology, biology and more. Step inside a re-created mine shaft to get a feel for the world of the miners at Alta, Brighton, Solitude and Park City — places where people now whiz down the mountains instead of burrowing under them. See a mural painted in 1940 by the Civilian Conservation Corps that looks for all the world like a piece of the stone bluff in Canyonlands National Park where prehistoric people painted colorful petroglyphs 2,000 years ago. Watch paleontologists at work, inspect the local bug life at the insect zoo, and visit the gallery to contemplate the interpretations of the local environment by regional artists.

The brief time I spent in the city was just enough to intrigue. I’d love to come back to ski, but I don’t think I’ll ever take a shuttle straight to the mountains — there’s just too much to see and do in this sparkling city in the valley
     
     
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Previously posted on the Utah Irrelevent Thread. Thanks Venice for the friendly article.
Neat story. I lived in Davis county for ten years before moving to Indiana for law school. Last summer, I was back in SLC for an internship, and my wife and I decided to act like tourists for the summer and see all the sites we'd always skipped as locals. It was a neat summer and we, like this reporter, came to enjoyed discovering many things the city and state have to offer. I think we locals miss out on half the stuff right under our noses because we assume we've seen it all.
     
     
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Parisian Flights bringing-em in. Salt Lake City prepares for Tokyo

Downturn not slowing flow of foreign tourists to Utah

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705292238,00.html

It seems Utah's travel industry wasn't copied on the memo regarding the worldwide economic downturn...

...Utah's international tourism marketing recently got a huge boost when Delta Air Lines added a new nonstop flight between Paris and Salt Lake City.

"It's definitely having an impact," Cayford said. "Anecdotally, our tourism partners around the state are telling us they have seen an influx of French visitors along with more visitors from Europe because of that connection. So it's been a great gateway not only for French visitors but for visitors from Europe as well."

Cayford anticipates more positives for the state this June when Delta launches another new nonstop flight between Tokyo and Salt Lake City.

"It'll be our first nonstop flight to that part of the world...



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Japanese tourists look out from Dead Horse Point National Park, outside of Moab, Utah, July 28, 2008. (Tom Smart, Deseret News)

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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 2:33 AM
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I'm surprised they haven't added a [seasonal] flight to Page yet, it seems like it would be really successful. Go down there in the middle of July and I guarantee you'll see TONS of French and German tourists. Not to mention it's extremely popular among Salt Lakers as well.
     
     
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Hey comrade, where did you take that south-westside skyline shot from? It's an amazing angle!
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I vote we wait for a clear day.
Fine. But it MUST be the SAME angle!!

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As risk of hijacking the thread, but could a NorCal/SoCal split into two states make the state(s) easier to manage?
Omg, that's what I've been advocating for ages now! Nor Cal (no offense) is WAY better than So Cal. No, but seriously, almost 40 million people?? Heck, cut that in half and that's still a lot of people!

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We could sell Alaska to Palin to pay off debt......


She could protect us from Russia when Putin "rears his ugly head"

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There are no homeless people in Scandinavia.
I wonder how much that costs...
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 12:22 PM
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Campus building boomlet

Bonding » Legislature passes overdue projects worth $106 million while rates are cheap.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11968418

Salt Lake Community College and University of Utah business students would be the main beneficiaries of a $106 million bonding package to jump-start several capital projects on Utah campuses. For the first time in several years, lawmakers turned to the bond market for the benefit of higher education when they passed SB201 near the closing bell of the session.

If the governor signs the legislation, bond money would finance construction of two large, long-awaited projects in Salt Lake City: SLCC's Digital Design and Communication Technology Center, and the reconstruction of the U.'s Eccles School of Business. Utah College of Applied Technology campuses in Ogden and Lehi, as well as Southern Utah University's science center, also won funding for major projects...


     
     
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Hyatt at the Gateway






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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 6:24 PM
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Ok, I hate to say this, but I judged the Hyatt way too early. It really is begining to look like a beautiful addition to down town's west side. I take back my vehement comments about it

I really love the light sky-blue window tint with the golden stucco and the metal crown on top

I see you got a good shot without all the protesters out front. Does anyone know what they are protesting about? I made out something about "unfair labor dispute" but I'm not too sure what it's all about. I think it's kinda stupid that they protest there seeing as anyone who would care (Hyatt management) isn't there at the construction sight - just construction workers who have nothing to do with Hyatt, they are just fulfilling their contract and making an honest living. Maybe it's just to attract attention and gather public support
     
     
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 6:28 PM
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Is the hotel going up just west of the airport a Hyatt as well? It looks just the same except I think it's brick.
     
     
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Hyatt at the Gateway is really turning out great for that part of town. Just wish it was a little bit taller. Like maybe 8-10 stories. LOL
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They are protesting the Contractors and Hyatt for not using union workers/labor. You can see the same thing up at The Canyons and Daybreak.
It's only a matter of time before they are at City Creek. Okland use to be a union company years ago. It's seems you will find them on most high profile projects they do. I even saw them at a Chilli's. The funny thing is the people that hold the signs are illegal alien workers hired by the Unions's at min wage. Way to go Union's Way to go. SHAME ON UNIONS
     
     
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My Union does a LOT of good things for me. I make a very decent wage, I have awesome benefits, and have a means of appealing unfair management decisions. I still think they are only right about half the time, but if they keep winning us great contracts, I really don't mind. I'd rather fight some of the union/management hassles, than go back to lower pay, awful benefits, and zero protection.

Great pics again, T-Mac! It was a beautiful day yesterday. I never cared for the Gateway Hyatt, from the initial renderings. The yellow stucco is kind of a nice change of pace, but at the end of the day, it's still just stucco. Cheap and boring.
     
     
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I still don't like the Hyatt.

It's too short and very suburban. Along with being boring, bland and not unique in the least.

Good pictures of it though
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