Phoenix Area Low- and Mid-Rise Development Thread - Page 47

Mr.RE · #**921** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 6:03 PM**

I heard a PSP submittal was put in to the city of Phoenix for the mid rise apartment project at Park Central mall next to Where Creighton medical school is going. Does anyone have access or have a link where I could find that document? City of Phoenix website is not as easy to access submitttals as Tempe...

CrestedSaguaro · #**922** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 6:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus

There are two separate questions being asked here:

1. Why is the red box being graded?
2. What's behind Alta?

Hope that helps everyone.

Thanks Biggus. I'll answer both:

1. No idea. Lol, that's all I've got. It is being graded as you said, so the land must have been purchased or something. I don't see them grading the land free for the City.

2. The APS substation. From what I know, the one that is behind City Square is nearly to it's design limit, so they needed to build a new one (due to Parc and Alta being built, and now Columbus/Central). Lots of residential being added to the area that needs power, so it makes sense.

muertecaza · #**923** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 6:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mr.RE

I heard a PSP submittal was put in to the city of Phoenix for the mid rise apartment project at Park Central mall next to Where Creighton medical school is going. Does anyone have access or have a link where I could find that document? City of Phoenix website is not as easy to access submitttals as Tempe...

Good shout. Here it is:

You definitely have to be a little more creative to find info from Phoenix. I found this one by doing a plan review search (https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews) by project name, and searching *park central* (with the asterisks to expand the scope of the search). Looks like it was filed under an existing Park Central project number (00-1783) so we should be able to use that number for easier searching in the future.

Obadno · #**924** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 7:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by muertecaza

Good shout. Here it is:

You definitely have to be a little more creative to find info from Phoenix. I found this one by doing a plan review search (https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews) by project name, and searching *park central* (with the asterisks to expand the scope of the search). Looks like it was filed under an existing Park Central project number (00-1783) so we should be able to use that number for easier searching in the future.

So I’m assuming this will be the entire parking lot between the Hampton in to where Creighton will be kind of a weird spot, they should probably put the residential on the west side along 3rd or on the north side closer to other residential along Osborn.

Kind of isolated and surounded by parking garages down there

CrestedSaguaro · #**925** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 7:56 PM**

So, here is the answer to Central and Columbus. All those parcels were combined (area indicated in red in my previous post). Glad to see this taking up more undeveloped space. Still no renderings I can find. I'll keep looking.

Obadno · #**926** Posted **Oct 24, 2018, 8:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

So, here is the answer to Central and Columbus. All those parcels were combined (area indicated in red in my previous post). Glad to see this taking up more undeveloped space. Still no renderings I can find. I'll keep looking.

The amount of development in midtown is crazy right now

CrestedSaguaro · #**927** Posted **Oct 31, 2018, 11:25 PM**

The second structure next to where the "cat house" was on Willetta was demo'd today.

Obadno · #**928** Posted **Nov 1, 2018, 10:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

The second structure next to where the "cat house" was on Willetta was demo'd today.

The parcel is listed on redfin for 4.7 million dollars. Looks like a landflip like we saw down by capitol place, make a proposal, get the approvals sell all the prework ready to go to a developer.

Do these ever lead to development or is it all specualtive land bankers?

https://www.redfin.com/AZ/Phoenix/10...home/147118846

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Apartment/Condominium development site with the opportunity to complete as an apartment or a condo complex. Located between 1st and 2nd street running along the North side of Willetta, is a 128-unit development site with preliminary site-plan approval for 2 separate buildings. Sale includes 5 parcels - addresses to include: 102 E Willetta St Phoenix, AZ 85004,1406 N 2nd St Phoenix, AZ 85004,1301 N 2nd St, Phoenix, AZ 85004,1402 N 2nd St Phoenix, AZ 85004 . Listing Agent has an ownership interest in this property.

Obadno · #**929** Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 4:35 PM**

I had no idea this was happening, this is another improvement to midtown

https://azbigmedia.com/central-high-...ation-project/

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Phoenix Union High School District is celebrating the start of construction for Central High School’s modernization project. The $9 million renovation includes the modernization of the school’s cafeteria, adding approximately 6,000 square-feet; expanding the school’s popular Culinary Program with the addition of a new demonstration area and culinary lab space; upgrading the safety and security of the building’s registration area; and significantly renovating the front entry of the campus, which is prominently located on Central Avenue, with a more welcoming look.

biggus diggus · #**930** Posted **Nov 2, 2018, 5:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

The parcel is listed on redfin for 4.7 million dollars. Looks like a landflip like we saw down by capitol place, make a proposal, get the approvals sell all the prework ready to go to a developer.

Do these ever lead to development or is it all specualtive land bankers?

https://www.redfin.com/AZ/Phoenix/10...home/147118846

The two Lafferty permitted and sold on Washington both led to development but typically it passes on from one land bank to another.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**931** Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 9:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by Obadno

The amount of development in midtown is crazy right now

It seems like it should be more than 233 units if it's going to be on a bigger lot.

combusean · #**932** Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 9:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan

It seems like it should be more than 233 units if it's going to be on a bigger lot.

The lot for Central and Columbus is just shy of 2 acres, which if you do the math makes this one of, if not the densest low-rise developments in the city. Most of these apartment blocks do not have podium parking.

biggus diggus · #**933** Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 2:07 PM**

Best example is third Street and Thomas that building has a traditional apartment parking lot with covered/uncovered parking in the middle.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**934** Posted **Nov 3, 2018, 8:19 PM**

Well, Alta Central is 223 units and about the same size as the original lot on Central and Columbus but if the lot is going to be almost twice the size I feel like it should be more like 400 units.

CrestedSaguaro · #**935** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 3:21 AM**

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pbenjamin · #**936** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 3:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos

So, here is the answer to Central and Columbus. All those parcels were combined (area indicated in red in my previous post). Glad to see this taking up more undeveloped space. Still no renderings I can find. I'll keep looking.

I'm pretty sure that I posted this when the Encanto VPC heard it last year. You'll find renderings within it. It was 2.7 acres and 256 units at the time.

https://www.phoenix.gov/pddsite/Docu...PZ/Z-60-17.pdf

combusean · #**937** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 6:24 AM**

^ The lot calculations are net acreage which are also in the engineer's sidebar on the construction site plan. Not sure what's up with the reduction in units/density in the plan review.

The gross acreage used throughout the staff report includes the lot and all of the public ROW up to the centerline of adjoining street.

TJPHXskyscraperfan · #**938** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 8:05 AM**

Everyone is missing my point. Rooniefoos posted on October 23rd at 737 am, a red box which would extend this lot further. If they do that, wouldn't it be more like 400 units and is this just speculation?

combusean · #**939** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 8:55 AM**

^ They don't have the zoning to do that. The staff report is exclusive to the ~2 acre lot we've been talking about.

There's probably a grading and drainage permit for the lots to the east separate and apart from the project. It could be getting graded so the first lot doesn't flood. This is why we have grading permits to begin with--making sure runoff from your improperly graded lot doesn't wreck your neighbors.

CrestedSaguaro · #**940** Posted **Nov 4, 2018, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by combusean

^ They don't have the zoning to do that. The staff report is exclusive to the ~2 acre lot we've been talking about.

There's probably a grading and drainage permit for the lots to the east separate and apart from the project. It could be getting graded so the first lot doesn't flood. This is why we have grading permits to begin with--making sure runoff from your improperly graded lot doesn't wreck your neighbors.

They are digging out those lots I circled in red as deep as the primary lot they originally started with and shoring up the sides with beams. That would not be for grading. I'll swing by tomorrow since I work a block over and try to get some more info from the workers.

The only thing I can think of is that extra lots were always in the plan. But I agree for the size, this seems a little low on the count unless they are going to be larger units.