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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 12:41 AM
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Actually, according to one of Sobeys employees, all reports of a new store, as well as a new Lawton's, are nothing more than rumours. As far as the demolition goes, here's a few pics that I shot earlier today:


Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr

Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr
Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr
I'm curious as to who is paying for the demo if Sobey's isn't planning a bigger store on the site and these are just rumors. I can't imagine someone just tearing it down just for the sake of it now after it being empty for so long. It's not like more parking is needed there...
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 2:38 AM
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I'm curious as to who is paying for the demo if Sobey's isn't planning a bigger store on the site and these are just rumors. I can't imagine someone just tearing it down just for the sake of it now after it being empty for so long. It's not like more parking is needed there...
Exactly my thoughts too! I suppose that the building owners could be demolishing it to reduce his or her taxes? After all, a empty lot usually has a less of a tax burden than a developed one, so who knows?

The employee I was talking to was just a cashier and I doubt if Sobeys management would tell their lower ranked employees much of anything at this point, but I could be wrong.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 3:03 AM
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IIRC the plan was to have a Sobey's + NB Liquor combo with someone else filling the space in the vacated NBLiquor across the parking lot.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 1:25 PM
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Have we a solid opening date for the One Mile House interchange?

Seems like it could be any moment now...

Also, the Harbour Bridge is has been reopened to all 4 lanes.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 1:35 PM
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IIRC the plan was to have a Sobey's + NB Liquor combo with someone else filling the space in the vacated NBLiquor across the parking lot.
I recall the NBLiquor discussion as well, and in this case their involvement would make a lot of sense given that the current Landsdowne location is the highest grossing in the province.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 2:22 PM
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Have we a solid opening date for the One Mile House interchange?

Seems like it could be any moment now...

Also, the Harbour Bridge is has been reopened to all 4 lanes.
Woohoo!! This is great news. Bridge looks great.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 3:14 PM
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Also, the Harbour Bridge is has been reopened to all 4 lanes.
After so much time...

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 6:58 PM
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Isn't a bowling alley in there??
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 10:32 PM
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Isn't a bowling alley in there??
The bowling alley is on top of Lansdowne Place to the left of old sears building.
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Old Posted Nov 20, 2013, 11:09 PM
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Does anyone have the article from the TJ today on the Gothic Arches condos?
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2013, 12:04 AM
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Maybe I'm paraphrasing, but...

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Inside the Gothic Arches, the air is musty and cold. A trickle of light shines through massive, intricate stained-glass windows and pews are stacked along the building’s edge.

It’s been years since anyone worshipped inside this 131-year-old church, located on the highest piece of land in the uptown.

But if Jody McCairns’s vision becomes a reality, it would become the home of 75 modern condominiums in a new development he believes could change the face of architecture in the Maritimes.

McCairns purchased the property at the corner of Wentworth and Princess streets about a year ago, moving here from Toronto with his wife, Lisa Santos, to put down roots and take on his first independent construction project.

“There were a lot of sleepless nights before, just kind of wondering if it was the right decision, and a lot of sleepless nights after,” McCairns, 37, said of the purchase. “But no regrets. None at all.”

He has now formed Ethos Development Group with a partner and works from the kitchen table of his Orange Street apartment. But for now, all the focus is on getting the Gothic Arches condominium project off the ground.

Working with Acre Architects in Saint John, McCairns recently released conceptual drawings of the new development, expected to cost between $15- and $20-million.

The drawings are striking, combining old and new.

“It’s certainly going to be the pre-eminent building of the uptown. It’s going to be a landmark for the city,” McCairns says, standing in the vast empty space of the church, where the ceilings are 25 metres high. “It’s going to be a talking point, whether you love it or hate it.”

The plan – still a concept, since zoning and engineering issues have not been finalized – is to construct a 10-storey tower next to the old church.

Construction of the tower would require McCairns to tear down a structure on Leinster Street, dating back to 1880, which used to be a school.

The tower would have 51 units, with another 24 inside the old church.

There would be parking available underground, including under the church, which is “going to be a bit of an engineering feat.” The design follows what McCairns sees as a global trend of repurposing historic buildings with a modern twist. He has seen about 20 such church retrofit projects in Toronto.

“They’ve been able to breathe a new vitality into the buildings. They’re too important to our built heritage. Too important architecturally, and they’re just too beautiful to demolish,” he says.

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It would be cheaper to build on an empty plot of land, but McCairns – a former construction project manager with a background in business development – said the extra money and effort should pay off.

“The end result is a completely unique space that I think is going to completely change the way people in Saint John view the limits to some of these challenging sites,” he says. “Saint John has a wealth of under-utilized, beautiful antique buildings, and I think this might encourage repurposing and redevelopment.”

The idea is to offer high-end, modern condos while keeping the historic flavour of the church, which is situated next to a heritage district. The softwood pews will be part of each unit. Mahogany and other wood salvaged from the construction might be used for elements such as kitchen islands.

Thick columns in the old church and original stain glass (designed by a Canadian “master,” J.C. Spence, McCairns says) might also become a part of some units, and upgrades will be available, such as lantern-style lights that now hang from the towering church ceiling.

Prices are expected to vary depending on the size and style of the unit. The more historic units will likely be more expensive, he says.

“I don’t think that we want to make this from a price-point, out of reach for most people,” McCairns says. “We’re definitely going to be building higher-end units, but they simply cannot be luxury units solely because we don’t feel the market can bear that right now.”

If all goes as planned, McCairns is confident construction could start in a year. He said the age of the building does not give him the luxury of time.

He hopes to market to both locals and energy sector professionals who may move here to work on such projects as the proposed west-east oil pipeline and marine terminal, examples of anticipated projects that gave him confidence to move ahead.

According to property records, McCairns paid $100,000 for the church, which was in danger of being demolished three years ago. He said “time will tell” if it was a good deal.

But one thing’s for sure – with sky-high real estate prices, there’s no way the he could have taken on such a start-up project in a market like Toronto, he says.

As the wind howls on a grey November day, McCairns only sees light in the dim, cold church.

“What’s not to like?” he says.

April Cunningham is the city hall reporter for the Telegraph-Journal. She can be reached on Twitter @reporterapril or by email at [email protected].
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2013, 1:15 AM
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Just curious - how is the couple going to finance $15 to $20 million? Do they have investors??
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2013, 2:13 AM
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Thanks! Great article, sounds promising. I appreciate this fellow for taking this risk— saving this church is a crucial thing for SJ. I personally think, this move will pay off for him!

I would rather he put less condos in the existing structure so than he could build a taller tower! The remaining space in the church could be used for something maybe more profitable— commercial space? There are no general stores in that area
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2013, 6:57 PM
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That guy on King Street E who opposed the more recent Leinster Court project due to height and who put up a pole on his roof showing how tall it was going to be is going to love this. Maybe he can weld a few flag poles together and try again.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2013, 4:00 AM
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Someone should make the the font for SJ bold, on the menu of Canada forums... Just a thought lol
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Actually, according to one of Sobeys employees, all reports of a new store, as well as a new Lawton's, are nothing more than rumours. As far as the demolition goes, here's a few pics that I shot earlier today:


Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr

Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr
Old Sears/Zeller's demolition by I'm Me, Who are You?, on Flickr
The back, which used to be the 2nd floor of Sears originally, was last used as the home of the Eddie Bauer call centre where I worked years ago.
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Someone should make the the font for SJ bold, on the menu of Canada forums... Just a thought lol
Welcome to the forum, MountPleasant!

I won't bore you with the history, but to give Saint John (or any community) more prominence on the Canada page would require splitting it off into it's own section on the site. It has come up several times. My personal view based on what I've seen over the years is that there's a big sacrifice made to community involvement for people outside of the city, for a very small gain. For example, forumers from Halifax don't often venture out into the general Atlantic section anymore and vice versa. Personally, I think that's a big loss.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2013, 6:36 PM
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Welcome to the forum, MountPleasant!

I won't bore you with the history, but to give Saint John (or any community) more prominence on the Canada page would require splitting it off into it's own section on the site. It has come up several times. My personal view based on what I've seen over the years is that there's a big sacrifice made to community involvement for people outside of the city, for a very small gain. For example, forumers from Halifax don't often venture out into the general Atlantic section anymore and vice versa. Personally, I think that's a big loss.
Thank you, kindly. Sorry I meant in the Atlantic Canadian menu— if that makes a difference.

On an aside, news today—Saint John will receive 57.3 M for water...Through P3

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Old Posted Nov 22, 2013, 7:25 PM
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Thank you, kindly. Sorry I meant in the Atlantic Canadian menu— if that makes a difference.

On an aside, news today—Saint John will receive 57.3 M for water...Through P3
Same thing.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2013, 7:34 PM
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Same thing.
It catches the eye— F'ton & M'ton are in bold.
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