Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 3

[RyanD]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

Also any denverite saying that denver mountains are closer and look bigger from DT and it's proper suburbs are talking bullshit.

We never said that our mountains are closer / look bigger, they just aren't as far as you guys originally perceived. We resolved this ages ago.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

Does that count as something? Must admit that the forums here have been really slow and seeing my long reply about RTD on their transit thread get one response that said "nice review" has made me sad..

Well, we are usually all out and about doing things on the weekend because there is so much to do in the metro / mountains. Also, we're all stuck in our Sunday traffic, which is a great sign of people wanting to be in our fair land.

You guys are a constant bundle of fun.

Thanks!

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by RyanD

We never said that our mountains are closer / look bigger, they just aren't as far as you guys originally perceived. We resolved this ages ago.



Well, we are usually all out and about doing things on the weekend because there is so much to do in the metro / mountains. Also, we're all stuck in our Sunday traffic, which is a great sign of people wanting to be in our fair land.

You guys are a constant bundle of fun.

Thanks!

We have ski resorts and restaurants too...

I didn't know about thAt discussion, link?

[RyanD]

Originally Posted by jubguy3

We have ski resorts and restaurants too...

I didn't know about thAt discussion, link?

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=187762&page=60

[bob rulz]

Is discussion really so slow right now that we need to resort to a tired Denver vs Salt Lake City ego clash? Come on now.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by RyanD

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=187762&page=60

Here I am contradicting the map screenshot farther down, and yes, it's to the foothill of the mountains like pictured there.

Using an interstate like pictured in the other map (actually farther to those mountains) it is much faster and closer to get to SLC mountains... Even the Oquirrh Mnts are closer by car and by distance.


So yes, it's been settled as SLC having much closer mountains.

I was even in denver last week as indicated by the damn post, and I say from experience that denver mountains don't tower over you like in SLC (COMING TO THEATERS THIS AUGUST BWWAAAAAA BWAAAAAA DUNhhhh) but feel like distant ranges, similar to how the Oquirrh mountains are here.

[UTAZLoVer]

Well Denver has an Hermès. So its about even.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Old&New

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I couldn't disagree more that a developer is the "best expert in the room" to evaluate potential locations for the Convention Center Hotel, because a developers choice may not be in the best interest of Salt Lake City. This project was first and foremost meant to benefit Salt Lake City and it's convention center. Sure, a developer can benefit too, but not at the expense of Salt Lake City.

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I was thinking the exact same thing.

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by Stenar

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I disagree.

What's good for the city is to attract conventions and tourism.. That happens to be the exact same thing that is good for business in the hotel industries. Any competent hotel developer would make it their business to know the industries and know what pleases guest.. Their business would rely on offering the best experience possible.

I certainly have a lot more confidence in a hotel developer then the city planning commission.. Salt Lake City as a political entity has most certainly proven over the past 50 years that they don't know crap when it comes to what's good for us... I'm not sure why you would trust them.. I've never been to another metropolitan area with less people walking the the streets. Sure the city has to be involved.. But I would also listen to the hotel developer... Salt lake is not in the hotel business.. They are.

On a separate note I seriously can't believe that so many would stand at a distance and make decisions based on what would look good from a skyline shot.. And give that presidency over functionality... Yes I absolutely want a tall building... But a skyline shot is quite possibly the last thing on my mind. I care more about street presence and how it will look up closer where most people will take the time to see it.. I'm more concerned about the perception of the city from within then I am about the perception of the city from the edge of i215. It needs to work, it needs to fit in from within, and it needs to offer potential guest the best experience possible... Salt lake doesn't know crap about that obviously.

[ajiuO]

P.s. If there are 6 land owners who think their property would be the best site... There is a good chance the LDS churches is one of the 6... Making south temple a real possibility.

I also imagine this is why the shilo renovation has not started yet.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by ajiuO

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On a separate note I seriously can't believe that so many would stand at a distance and make decisions based on what would look good from a skyline shot.. And give that presidency over functionality... Yes I absolutely want a tall building... But a skyline shot is quite possibly the last thing on my mind. I care more about street presence and how it will look up closer where most people will take the time to see it.. I'm more concerned about the perception of the city from within then I am about the perception of the city from the edge of i215. It needs to work, it needs to fit in from within, and it needs to offer potential guest the best experience possible... Salt lake doesn't know crap about that obviously.

I totally agree with that. I don't care if it fits in the current skyline, etc.

I like both South Temple and Royal Wood Plaza. I think I'm leaning towards RWP now because if it's near Temple Square, the church will probably want to limit alcohol in the hotel, which won't work.

[bob rulz]

The hotel will fit into the skyline and make it look better no matter what, unless they totally drop the ball on the design.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

The hotel will fit into the skyline and make it look better no matter what, unless they totally drop the ball on the design.

we could made the COB again but make whatever the outside facade is (geofoam! asbestos! fake marble!) the windows and the glass whatever the outside facade is... and then put a house on the side and a skybridge that is a bunch of shipping containers glued together in true SLC fashion bewteen each. painted rainbow but missing one color each time (oygbp rygbp rogbp you get the point) with the trax stations (just the canopy) on top of each red one but missing on the missing red one because the missing red stripe is missing and a bunch of chains hanging down with one draped over the catenary on main street so if you touch it you die. and also with a huge thing that says "welcome to slc greatest life the snow elevated" in white papyrus with a shitty low resolution picture of the mountains stretched across the whole thing... oh and disney castle spires on each of the COB's but one is not a COB and it should also have a huge extremely bright light that shines on to country club and federal heights... and harvard yale if they come up with another hyperspecific plan for the historic district. the lights on the top would be ones that uses publicly funded sodium glass lightbulbs so its as bright as possible but also not as efficient. The new COB should also have what the 111 has at the bottom but at the top, with a wooden fort type thing surrounding the very top that lights up blue and white on U game days and red and white on BYU games with a replica built over wasatch elementary along 9th east in provo because they were all fussy about BRT crime (this would protect them with extremely bright lights and remind them how salt lake is superior). It would also have randomly darker pieces of glass for sections of bands of floors like triad and have a couple windows that couldnt be closed for "premium rooms" with a huuuuuuuuuugggeeee hyatt house logo along the top and a holladay inn logo in the middle with one of those stupid city creek posters that covered keybank on the north and west sides. there should also be mandates that window stickers are placed for christmas in june and for 4th of july in december.

Did i drop the ball?

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

The hotel will fit into the skyline and make it look better no matter what, unless they totally drop the ball on the design.

oh, and i also think your comment is subjective. a hyper minimalist design would be sad and a badly colored and designed building would be a disgrace to the skyline.

i would consider any skyline an ongoing piece of collective art by architects and when one architect fucks it up, everything looks bad.

This is part of the reason why i support the 700 foot skyscraper that everyone wants but also want people to realize that it will be a time of growing pains before we adapt to it. if it goes within the 'skyline gap' with some 570 footers of different styles (i.e. postmodern and modern, so as not to create a large modern section) it wont actually be a trouble and i think that would amplify and beautify SLC's skyline.

[bob rulz]

But skylines look drastically different from different angles. It might look "good" from one angle and "not so good" from another angle.

Placement of skyscrapers should be a secondary if not tertiary concern, with the architecture, street engagement, and interior layout, among possibly other things, all being much more important.

Originally Posted by jubguy3

we could made the COB again but make whatever the outside facade is (geofoam! asbestos! fake marble!) the windows and the glass whatever the outside facade is... and then put a house on the side and a skybridge that is a bunch of shipping containers glued together in true SLC fashion bewteen each. painted rainbow but missing one color each time (oygbp rygbp rogbp you get the point) with the trax stations (just the canopy) on top of each red one but missing on the missing red one because the missing red stripe is missing and a bunch of chains hanging down with one draped over the catenary on main street so if you touch it you die. and also with a huge thing that says "welcome to slc greatest life the snow elevated" in white papyrus with a shitty low resolution picture of the mountains stretched across the whole thing... oh and disney castle spires on each of the COB's but one is not a COB and it should also have a huge extremely bright light that shines on to country club and federal heights... and harvard yale if they come up with another hyperspecific plan for the historic district. the lights on the top would be ones that uses publicly funded sodium glass lightbulbs so its as bright as possible but also not as efficient. The new COB should also have what the 111 has at the bottom but at the top, with a wooden fort type thing surrounding the very top that lights up blue and white on U game days and red and white on BYU games with a replica built over wasatch elementary along 9th east in provo because they were all fussy about BRT crime (this would protect them with extremely bright lights and remind them how salt lake is superior). It would also have randomly darker pieces of glass for sections of bands of floors like triad and have a couple windows that couldnt be closed for "premium rooms" with a huuuuuuuuuugggeeee hyatt house logo along the top and a holladay inn logo in the middle with one of those stupid city creek posters that covered keybank on the north and west sides. there should also be mandates that window stickers are placed for christmas in june and for 4th of july in december.

Did i drop the ball?

I don't see anything wrong with this plan.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by bob rulz

But skylines look drastically different from different angles. It might look "good" from one angle and "not so good" from another angle.

Placement of skyscrapers should be a secondary if not tertiary concern, with the architecture, street engagement, and interior layout, among possibly other things, all being much more important.



I don't see anything wrong with this plan.

Yay! I'll get Boyer out her right now. Maybe we could locate it at 3700 west 600 north? There are some other buildings there to really compliment the design!

[s.p.hansen]

The theatre site is clearing rubble while also digging deeper into the dirt.

[SLC Projects]

Just think what that same view could look like in a few years with the UPAC, 111 South Main and ( hopefully ) the Cascade.

Glad the "Metro Building" is finally down. That seem like it took forever.

[jubguy3]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

Just think what that same view could look like in a few years with the UPAC, 111 South Main and ( hopefully ) the Cascade.

Glad the "Metro Building" is finally down. That seem like it took forever.

Looking back on the renderings and plans for 1111 and UPAC/Eccles, my inner architect is actually more excited for UPAC and cascade. They seem to have a real community engagement that 111 (well cascade to some extent too) doesn't have and I forgot how nice the inside was.

[SLC Projects]

The SLtrib is reporting that HP has sold the Boston Building to a Seattle Company.

First they pulled out of the 111 main development and now this? Didn't HP also sold 222 main to another company as well? Is it me, or does it seem like HP is pulling out of the Salt Lake City market?

[airhero]

Originally Posted by SLC Projects

The SLtrib is reporting that HP has sold the Boston Building to a Seattle Company.

First they pulled out of the 111 main development and now this? Didn't HP also sold 222 main to another company as well? Is it me, or does it seem like HP is pulling out of the Salt Lake City market?

It seems like they may just be freeing up capital for another project. If that's the case it may be good news.