TCH east of Nipigon (La route transcanadienne à l'est de Nipigon)

[Dengler Avenue]

Again, that’s impossible because of NIMBY’s. The best bet is to have a 4 lane freeway from Reith to Shuniah via Kakabeka Falls as intended, when things get bad. (Mind you, the segment between Sistonens Corners and Shabaqua Corners have no EDR in Canada. The bridge across Shabaqua River is a choke point.)

I mean, if truckers see a 4-lane divided freeway and that it’s only 16 km more, of course they will use it.

For highways near T Bay, F. Lionel should be the most knowledgeable (and vid knows quite a bit too).
For those around Timmins and North, and for Highway 11 north of New Liskeard, it’d be Loco101;
For those between SSM and North Bay (if not Mattawa), it’d be swimmer_spe and wave46.

I just don’t have anyone to cover those around Kenora.

Edit: Oh and how can I forget the engineer, sonysnob? The first few names I mentioned can provide local knowledge about those routes, while sonysnob knows the engineering aspect.

[vid]

I think F. Lionel will know more about the highways here than I do, he lives along it. The only time I drive on 11/17 is for fun while listening to CBC Music After Dark.

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

https://www.tbnewswatch.com/local-news/fatal-collision-closes-highway-102-1218373

Last straw on the camel’s back?

Most comments on social media are blaming the deceased, some people saying they deserved to die. It's quite horrific, but Thunder Bay's social media scene is a national tragedy and will probably be cited when the Liberal government bans social media in 2022.

This won't change much.

[F. Lionel]

Originally Posted by vid

I think F. Lionel will know more about the highways here than I do, he lives along it. The only time I drive on 11/17 is for fun while listening to CBC Music After Dark.

Most comments on social media are blaming the deceased, some people saying they deserved to die. It's quite horrific, but Thunder Bay's social media scene is a national tragedy and will probably be cited when the Liberal government bans social media in 2022.

This won't change much.

The deceased was a family friend. It's a very sad situation that proponents of banning trucks on 102 are absolutely going to seize upon in an effort to bolster their fight to eliminate trucks.

It will have as much impact as last year's fatality will at grade separating 527 and 11/17... or the fatality on 11/17 at Pearl on New Year's Eve 2017 did in moving forward the twinning of that highway... or the September 2018 fatality on 11/17 in Dorion moved forward that twinning... or the January 2017 fatality on Highway 61 has impacted the upgrading of that route to 4 lanes with a new bridge... or the fatalities of December 2016 and October 2018 have moved forward the process of twinning and grade separating the Thunder Bay Expressway...

It's Northern Ontario. It doesn't mean a blessed thing to the process. Lives are cheap... upgrading Infrastructure is expensive.

[sonysnob]

It's southern Ontario. It doesn't mean a blessed thing to the process. Lives are cheap... upgrading Infrastructure is expensive.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4896730/fatal-scugog-collission-highway-7-12/

[Dengler Avenue]

It's Ontario. It doesn't mean a blessed thing to the process. Lives are cheap... upgrading Infrastructure is expensive.

@F. Lionel condolence to your family friend’s family too

[F. Lionel]

Originally Posted by sonysnob

It's southern Ontario. It doesn't mean a blessed thing to the process. Lives are cheap... upgrading Infrastructure is expensive.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4896730/fatal-scugog-collission-highway-7-12/

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

It's Ontario. It doesn't mean a blessed thing to the process. Lives are cheap... upgrading Infrastructure is expensive.

@F. Lionel condolence to your family friend’s family too

I suppose there are some Universal Truths in Ontario after all.

@Dengler Avenue - Thank you. It is appreciated.

[Mulder]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

At this point I’m just hoping that 417 extension to Renfrew will proceed even if the government changes hand. Just like anyone else, I don’t hold my breath until shovels are on the ground.

I hope that explains why I’ve been quiet in this thread lately. If anything, I’ve diverted my attention to Route 185 twinning in Québec lately.

Prelim design is already done to Bruce Street.

Route Planning for twinning is also complete to Petawawa

You are looking at least 3 years out until they start major construction work on the highway.

I'm currently designing culverts along HWY 17, we are making sure we have sufficient length for twinning, in my particular area there are some compressible soils so we have to pre-load the area so we get maximum settlement for when the twinning comes though.

[Dengler Avenue]

What do you guys preload the soft area with then? Granites? Surprisingly Upper Ottawa Valley has quite a bit of those. Extending 417 past Arnprior already required blasting rocks (and people complained because those rocks flew into their homes.)

Anyway, it’s nice to have insiders commenting on this, just like how the Ottawa Subforum has a VIA insider for their VIA thread.

[Ottawaresident]

Last time I was there there was construction work in that area, don't know whether it was for the Renfrew Freeway Bypass or not.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Ottawaresident

Last time I was there there was construction work in that area, don't know whether it was for the Renfrew Freeway Bypass or not.

Well Renfrew doesn’t need to be further bypassed. The one with traffic lights right now is already the bypass. (TCH used to go through Renfrew and back out via County Road 61 to Haney Station.)

I think it was only repavement though.

[Ottawaresident]

Maybe, but it does have high volume. Getting through the traffic light took forever.

[Dengler Avenue]

Too bad super-2's largely an Eastern-Canadian concept.

[Ottawaresident]

Super 2s can be dangerous though, head on collisions can be serious because of the speed.

[Dengler Avenue]

Well TCH has a posted speed limit of 90 kph, which doesn't happen anywhere else in Renfrew County. It only has 2 lanes and there are lights here and there.

(Remember, there aren't that many undivided 2-lane provincial highways that have such a high speed limit in Ontario. Apparently Highway 7 used to have that too, between Carleton Place and Stittsville, until it was twinned and grade-separated.)

I would say, it's got the worst of both worlds.*

Contrast that with TCH across the Prairies where it has divided 4 lanes but also lights from time to time, or with A50 across the river where there are no traffic lights or at-grade intersections.

* I just realized QC-A55 fits into this category too because it's got a set of lights at Saint-Célestin still.

[swimmer_spe]

A bypass around Cobden is more of a concern. After Deep River, besides lights, that is the only slowdown before you hit 417.

[Dengler Avenue]

After Chalk*** River

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

After Chalk*** River

oops. I always think Deep river comes after Chalk river heading east.

[Dengler Avenue]

I wonder if you can just say, “The Rivers”.

Not “the two rivers” though, because in that case people might think Deux-Rivières.

[Ottawaresident]

Wait what? I think MTO has studied and some sort of planning to Petawawa with a byoass around Cobden.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Ottawaresident

Wait what? I think MTO has studied and some sort of planning to Petawawa with a byoass around Cobden.

Yep, but that’s it. Nothing past the CFB. Then, from Mattawa westward to North Bay, a route has been selected. That leaves a gap of 166 km in Upper Ottawa Valley.