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Originally Posted by wpgcityone
The 15 for Thunder Bay were built in 1994, so these buses could be at the end of their life cycle anyway. 5 have already been retired. They were one of the first Low Floor buses that New Flyer delivered, so I can't vouch for the quality, but hopefully the buses we build today are much better (after 14 years of continuous improvements).
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Obviously they'll have gotten better but first impressions mean a lot. Thunder Bay Transit's mistake was probably just getting such a large order at first. (Imagine if Winnipeg had gotten 115 Inviros...) They aren't our worst buses though, the Orion VIs aren't even 10 years old and they're pretty much dead. I was on one today and I swear to god it was rolling backwards down a hill at one stop, about 10cm a minute maybe. It was somewhat alarming. I absolutely hate those buses. Especially when they're crowded. They're basically as efficient as a 30 foot bus. I don't know if you have them in Winnipeg but the whole thing is just a disaster. The VII is an improvement but only just.
The seat layout our Newflyers have is bad too, the drivers side wheelchair section requires five seats to be lifted instead of 3, but it's always those five that people lift and not the 3 on the other side. Which is funny, because except for the Orion VIs where you're forced to take the drivers side, wheelchair passengers always pick the passenger side of the vehicle.
It's absurd. I think that was a decision by transit, though?