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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 3:46 AM
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I find for myself once I know and have a brand I Like and know how the fit is etc I will just order online, but I still like shopping in person. I don't really like winners though, for clothes, it's just too much work finding something. A lot of stores like the gap, H&M have stuff you can only buy online, they never sell them in stores.

And the prices are easier to figure out online when they are on sale. I find often in some stores you see a sale/clearance sign but the price rings up at full price and you only find out at the till so I usually just say no thanks and not buy it. And then there are times where the price is much cheaper than the tag says so I end up going back and getting some more, usually with socks and underwear, at Banana Republic when they have the extra 50% off sale price you can find cheap underwear for like $2 or $3, even though the price tag may be marked down to $12.99, it rings up cheaper.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 3:52 AM
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Keep in mind Holt Renfrew has constraints that are different that most department stores as it is owned by the Weston family. Yes, that same Weston family. Owner of Loblaws, Shoppers, etc
they also own department stores in Europe. They own Selfridges Group, which owns Selfridges in the United Kingdom, Brown Thomas in Ireland and the De Bijenkorf department store chain in the Netherlands. That's give them an edge when bringing in brands and goods.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 2:47 PM
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^ Parcel delivery isn't what we're talking about, though. The question is whether storefronts will remain or if apparel/shoe/accessory/etc. retailing will move entirely online.
Maybe I wasn't clear, retail clothing stores aren't going to go way entirely and there will still be clothes to try on. That said the experience will be like what Eph are doing now or like women's gown shopping has been forever. The item you are buying is almost never the same one the store has for you to try on.

I thought the idea of trying on a sample garment in store, having them take measurements, then your actual item being sewen to order and shipped from the factory warehouse made it fairly clear.

The store will like more like the Louis Vuitton than what we know today as a clothing store. And speaking of luxury retailers, even with the limited space shrink still happens. Due to the value of the goods they can be targeted by "professional" thieves. You also still have other aspect shrink such as writing off damaged goods and taking product mark downs.

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they [Weston family] also own department stores in Europe. They own Selfridges Group, which owns Selfridges in the United Kingdom, Brown Thomas in Ireland and the De Bijenkorf department store chain in the Netherlands. That's give them an edge when bringing in brands and goods.
The challenge for the Weston family and Holt Renfrew isn't so much the access to the goods to stock their stores but rather where the family is focusing on directing their capital. As much as people here are pushing back on the idea of grocery shopping online, fulfillment in a warehouse like setting and delivery to your home or a smaller pickup location,. such as a Shopper's, the Weston family knows the change is coming and will happen a lot faster than a lot of people think. They are heavily investing in it and actively in beta on some of the overall systems needed. The whole order online, have an employee roam the store (aka warehouse) and assembly your order is basically building out the customer front end. Like most tech startups the cash burn is pretty heavy.

The other reality is with both Nordstroms and Saks
trying to establish a presence at the top end of the market and Simons trying to skip the lower end of "high end" department stores the return on the opportunity costs for Holts just isn't there. The flip side though is Weston is absolutely crushing it on the innovation side on the grocery supply chain side with Sobeys being years behind, Save on Foods lacking market penetration outside their core western markets and Metro having nothing west of Ontario. The only real treat to Weston right now is Walmart but they are playing the role of sleeping giant at the moment. Amazon is another long shot right now mostly as they have massive supply chain logistics issues in Canada and are still working through the fresh grocery supply side in the USA.

End of the day the one thing that matters most to where consumers shop is price. The second most importance in convenience. Order online and get goods (groceries, clothes, etc) sent to you scores highly on both them with a wide range of consumers with this forum seemingly being an outlier.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 2:59 PM
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And the trend is actually going that way. Online retailers are generally opening storefronts once they achieve a significant market share, especially in large, dense markets like Toronto, Vancouver, New York. It will grow to other cities. Businesses need to be diverse to grow. Online like any other segment only has so much growth potential.
Big reason for this is saturation paid digital marketing (search and social) and the risks of relying on the major platforms for all or most of your sales and marketing. It's starting to become expensive for larger businesses (online or physical) to buy Adwords and social, as you keep having to increase your bids with the vast amount of people paying for ads. Also, for example, if you rely on Instagram for most of your traffic, when it goes down – it can have a huge impact on your business.

Companies need to diversify sales and marketing channels, and there's only so many channels available online, and your usually beholden to there rules, design, etc.

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I find for myself once I know and have a brand I Like and know how the fit is etc I will just order online, but I still like shopping in person. I don't really like winners though, for clothes, it's just too much work finding something. A lot of stores like the gap, H&M have stuff you can only buy online, they never sell them in stores.
I do this a lot as well, or order from a place with free shipping and returns and just buy a few sizes, return the rest. Do this from Hudson's Bay a lot haha.

Another big thing is access to smaller brands. Younger generation is all about finding cool nice brands, and there's not really anywhere to buy them here. For instance, Livestock on Graham (they're moving) is about the only place in Winnipeg that carries "big deal" streetwear and clothing drops. So in a small market like Winnipeg, most people into streetwear or independent clothing brands have no choice but to shop online, or travel.
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Old Posted Jul 12, 2019, 3:06 PM
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^ Is Livestock the reason that people always camp out on the sidewalks on Saturday mornings?

Niche stuff will always be online, but for routine stuff like a regular pair of jeans or a sweater, there will always be a large market of people who want to touch and try before they buy it.
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^Yes. They're the only place in Winnipeg that gets the exclusive sneaker drops from Nike, Adidas, New Balance etc. We're very lucky to have them here, they have two Toronto locations and one in Vancouver.

They are a perfect example of a company that was online-only first. The website is https://www.deadstock.ca/ – then they wanted to open bricks-and-mortar (for several reasons) which is Livestock.
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^Yes. They're the only place in Winnipeg that gets the exclusive sneaker drops from Nike, Adidas, New Balance etc. We're very lucky to have them here, they have two Toronto locations and one in Vancouver.

They are a perfect example of a company that was online-only first. The website is https://www.deadstock.ca/ – then they wanted to open bricks-and-mortar (for several reasons) which is Livestock.
Where are they moving too?
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Old Posted Jul 13, 2019, 4:45 AM
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Where are they moving too?
Wasn't given the exact location but said somewhere nearby. Their current location just has absolutely no visibility as they no longer use the back lane entrance (just for deliveries now).
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... the empty Future Shop on Leila. I was driving by today and noticed a heavy construction presence and a really broken up parking lot in front of the building. Anyone know what's up?
I noticed that as well and was just going to inquire myself. Guess nobody knows.
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Old Posted Jul 17, 2019, 5:08 PM
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O'Neill will be going in the Outlet mall later this summer.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 1:07 AM
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Redevelopment of Leila Future Shop is ...

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I noticed that as well and was just going to inquire myself. Guess nobody knows.
... a Planet Fitness.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 1:59 AM
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O'Neill will be going in the Outlet mall later this summer.

Can you pls. clue the clueless and telling us what they're into?
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2019, 1:34 PM
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Surf/Beach/Summer/Casual wear.
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I saw there was an ad in Mondays paper from CBRE saying that the Kildonan Crossing Shopping Center was sold.

RioCan Reit was the former owner, does anybody know who the new owner is? I am wondering if a local investor got it or if its an out of Manitoba company coming in to the market?
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Is there any rumors about what will be going into the old Sears in Polo Park? I really want to start speculating already! I can see an expansed Apple Store in the future, and a part of the old Sears location would be a perfect place for it.
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Is there any rumors about what will be going into the old Sears in Polo Park? I really want to start speculating already! I can see an expansed Apple Store in the future, and a part of the old Sears location would be a perfect place for it.
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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 12:55 AM
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Isn't Apple overrated these days? Who can afford a "gold plated" Apple iPhone X for $1,000?


And overpriced Mac Book "Pro"...


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Old Posted Jul 24, 2019, 1:08 AM
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Isn't Apple overrated these days? Who can afford a "gold plated" Apple iPhone X for $1,000?


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Call them overrated but Apple Stores draw people to shopping centres. Sears being closed leaves a lot of potential for that area of the mall, it would be smart to open an expanded Apple Store.
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Wouldn't be surprised to see a Microsoft store here eventually. These days Microsoft's hardware prices are on par with many Apple products
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Call them overrated but Apple Stores draw people to shopping centres.
It definitely did in 2010, but now, it doesn't do it like it used to. Especially when the Apple staff forced all the visiting urban poor (such as my teenage self back then) off of their precious iMacs...

This is all I ever think of Apple anymore, irony turned upon itself:

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