The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread - Page 459

mylesmalley · #**9161** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 1:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by Peter_johnns

How is Lepreau somehow a grant to Saint John like you are insinuating?

I know that Lepreau isn't right in city limits, but any time you have a large infusion of cash into an area, there are big spinoffs especially in the larger centers. Where do workers stay? Where do they go on weekends? Who supplies food to the jobsite?

I can't argue your point about arts funding. That's a field I know nothing about. There may well be differences at the sector-level where one city is over or under-funded compared to another. For example, I would argue that SJ has received far more money for transportation infrastructure in the past five years. But in aggregate I don't think the the argument that Saint John is losing out at the government trough is at all true.

MonctonRad · #**9162** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 1:33 PM**

Indeed, SJ is doing very well for itself right now in terms of governmental largess.

The port city currently has very powerful voices at the cabinet table (the finance minister and the minister of health in particular), especially compared to the weakness in representation from Moncton. I work in health care, and I can assure you that the SJRH is doing much better than many of it's counterparts (especially TMH) in the current era of fiscal austerity.

Peter_johnns · #**9163** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 3:25 PM**

I agree things have improved but it has been a long time coming... I was only pointing to the arts fund and NB arts jury's decisions— the numbers seem to be arbitrary with no no rhyme or reason

Sabien · #**9164** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 3:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by Peter_johnns

How are civic politicians allowing this to be still going on? Wake up Norton, Rodney, Reinhart, Killen, Sheppard etc!
This literally warrants protest in SJ streets

This situation is similar to what I experienced back in the mid-90's.

I was taking a 2 year program at NBCC Woodstock (nice town). We were required to purchase roughly $1000 in supplies each year (above and beyond the tuition). The students enrolled in the French language equivalent program at NBCC Moncton had all of their supplies provided by the school and I recall the student:computer ratio was far better in the French course.

This prompted in a letter-writing campaign by the students in Woodstock, directed at the related minister (Vaughan Blaney, I think). Result: none...or at least none that I heard of. Something may have developed after I finished the program and entered the workforce.

MonctonRad · #**9165** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 3:55 PM**

Must have been CCNB-Dieppe, it's francophone. NBCC-Moncton is anglophone.

MonctonRad · #**9166** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Peter_johnns

I agree things have improved but it has been a long time coming... I was only pointing to the arts fund and NB arts jury's decisions— the numbers seem to be arbitrary with no no rhyme or reason

It's not arbitrary at all. There is a definite reason for this. These decisions are always political and based of the effectiveness of the lobbyists and the perception on the part of the politicians as to where they can get the maximum benefit from their funding announcements.

The Acadian population is very well aware of this..........

Sabien · #**9167** Posted **Sep 20, 2013, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Must have been CCNB-Dieppe, it's francophone. NBCC-Moncton is anglophone.

My mistake (it seems like a lifetime ago).

Peter_johnns · #**9168** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 4:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

It's not arbitrary at all. There is a definite reason for this. These decisions are always political and based of the effectiveness of the lobbyists and the perception on the part of the politicians as to where they can get the maximum benefit from their funding announcements.

The Acadian population is very well aware of this..........

I don't see a difference.

mylesmalley · #**9169** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 5:33 AM**

Funding only goes to people who ask for it. More funding goes to people who are better at asking.

Acajack · #**9170** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 11:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by Sabien

This situation is similar to what I experienced back in the mid-90's.

I was taking a 2 year program at NBCC Woodstock (nice town). We were required to purchase roughly $1000 in supplies each year (above and beyond the tuition). The students enrolled in the French language equivalent program at NBCC Moncton had all of their supplies provided by the school and I recall the student:computer ratio was far better in the French course.

This prompted in a letter-writing campaign by the students in Woodstock, directed at the related minister (Vaughan Blaney, I think). Result: none...or at least none that I heard of. Something may have developed after I finished the program and entered the workforce.

I doubt this was related to the provincial government's decisions. The colleges likely get a funding envelope and then it's more or less up to them to use it as they see fit.

French elementary and high schools in Ontario do this as well - they divert funding from other areas to offer free school supplies to all students. Helps them draw more students.

Whaler · #**9171** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 12:08 PM**

In this country and province, the minority rule the land!

Peter_johnns · #**9172** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 3:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by mylesmalley

Funding only goes to people who ask for it. More funding goes to people who are better at asking.

Exactly

cdnguys · #**9173** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 6:53 PM**

WharfRat · #**9174** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 8:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by cdnguys

I always liked this....great photos cdnguys!

Peter_johnns · #**9175** Posted **Sep 21, 2013, 9:40 PM**

that looks great!

JHikka · #**9176** Posted **Sep 23, 2013, 4:07 AM**

re: Arts funding.

The PDF seems to indicate that Moncton and Fredericton purely receive more funding because their groups/reps. of the cities are more organized than Saint John when it comes to seeking funding. Saint Johners not getting along well together for something? Colour me shocked.

Whaler · #**9177** Posted **Sep 23, 2013, 7:05 PM**

Well we tried.
However, Cabela's will be going to Moncton instead of Saint John.
This will be a $35 million dollar store.
This is upsetting to me, but at least NB gets the store!

flwright · #**9178** Posted **Sep 23, 2013, 10:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whaler

Well we tried.
However, Cabela's will be going to Moncton instead of Saint John.
This will be a $35 million dollar store.
This is upsetting to me, but at least NB gets the store!

$35M? Is it made of solid gold? I'd be surprised if was even $3.5M.

JHikka · #**9179** Posted **Sep 23, 2013, 11:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by Whaler

but at least NB gets the store!

This should be our mindset on everything. This isn't Saint John v. Moncton, or Fredericton, or anywhere else. Infighting is why we're lagging behind every other province in the country.

MonctonRad · #**9180** Posted **Sep 24, 2013, 12:54 AM**

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Originally Posted by Whaler

Well we tried.
However, Cabela's will be going to Moncton instead of Saint John.
This will be a $35 million dollar store.
This is upsetting to me, but at least NB gets the store!

Where did you hear this Whaler? How reliable is your source? Where in Moncton will they be setting up?