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[Exiled en Lafayette]

Originally Posted by FenderOz

Thanks, Chris. Nice pics.

Can I ask something to everyone here: what is the deal with staggered windows? It's almost like every other large scale public/private building getting built these days has them. I just don't get it and figure these buildings will look very dated 5-10 years from now, but I'm curious to see what other people think.

Just my opinion, but it seems to be an attempt to introduce a different fenestration arrangement that breaks all the rules of tradition...some of it is well balanced others parts look schizo. And unattractive, I hope the finished project suprises me with cohesiveness in design through a variety of balanced use of color on those areas that seem out of place. I also wonder what future Architects will think aesthetically about the hospital and will they want to tear down their fathers buildings because it just sooooo 2010's? There is really no need for trendy or fad architecture in nola....let's face it in 10 to 15 years we may look back and regret the design.....I haven't seen the finished product yet....but I hope it all comes together as a beautiful high functional hospital campus.

[Chris from N.O.]

Originally Posted by FenderOz

Thanks, Chris. Nice pics.

Can I ask something to everyone here: what is the deal with staggered windows? It's almost like every other large scale public/private building getting built these days has them. I just don't get it and figure these buildings will look very dated 5-10 years from now, but I'm curious to see what other people think.

Seems to be "New Orleans contemporary". I liked it the first few times I saw it, but it really doesn't allow much variation.

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Originally Posted by FenderOz

Thanks, Chris. Nice pics.

Can I ask something to everyone here: what is the deal with staggered windows? It's almost like every other large scale public/private building getting built these days has them. I just don't get it and figure these buildings will look very dated 5-10 years from now, but I'm curious to see what other people think.

Personal opinion, but I find the staggering of the windows quite unattractive in photos in certain areas, not all. Maybe when I visit I may get a better impression, but if the use of an attractive metal covering (screen) over all the fenestration would be applied in the schizo areas ( a cohesive repetitive pattern covering this architectural jambalaya of openings)
And the use of color on the metal screens (even a brightly painted mural with scenes of life in new orleans) to bring about a better rythumic appearance, then you may have a national architectural treasure.....as is , it's just a shinny new building with no real ties to the uniqueness of New Orleans. Honestly. ....I hope it all comes together in the end product.....

Here is an interactive site that shows renderings of different areas of the hospital. ...tap on the red circles to pop up an image...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szGIr4kFFUk

http://www.newhospital.org/level1.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1EXT7jSHQw

[ardecila]

Originally Posted by Chris from N.O.

Seems to be "New Orleans contemporary". I liked it the first few times I saw it, but it really doesn't allow much variation.

This city only supports one large firm doing contemporary work... Used to be Curtis and Davis, then Perez, now it's Eskew Dumez Ripple. It's not their fault that their buildings have a lot of common elements, but we need more diversity. Other firms in the city should step up their game and start tackling these larger buildings.

Now that the city is actually growing, there may be space for a few other firms to move up to the big leagues in New Orleans. I love what Waggonner and Ball is doing right now, or Studio WTA.

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Originally Posted by ardecila

This city only supports one large firm doing contemporary work... Used to be Curtis and Davis, then Perez, now it's Eskew Dumez Ripple. It's not their fault that their buildings have a lot of common elements, but we need more diversity. Other firms in the city should step up their game and start tackling these larger buildings.

Now that the city is actually growing, there may be space for a few other firms to move up to the big leagues in New Orleans. I love what Waggonner and Ball is doing right now, or Studio WTA.

This is exactly what is happening in design in nola today. ...one firm often has difficulty in diversifying it's designs and typically everything looks alike...do you have a Web site for Waggoner and Ball that has most of their work? If so please post...

[Exiled en Lafayette]

Originally Posted by Evac en Grand Coteau

Personal opinion, but I find the staggering of the windows quite unattractive in photos in certain areas, not all. Maybe when I visit I may get a better impression, but if the use of an attractive metal covering (screen) over all the fenestration would be applied in the schizo areas ( a cohesive repetitive pattern covering this architectural jambalaya of openings)
And the use of color on the metal screens (even a brightly painted mural with scenes of life in new orleans) to bring about a better rythumic appearance, then you may have a national architectural treasure.....as is , it's just a shinny new building with no real ties to the uniqueness of New Orleans. Honestly. ....I hope it all comes together in the end product.....

Here is an interactive site that shows renderings of different areas of the hospital. ...tap on the red circles to pop up an image...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=szGIr4kFFUk

http://www.newhospital.org/level1.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1EXT7jSHQw

Actually thats a good write...art should be an actual part of the building and not just something that hangs on the walls of the corridors. I can visualize what you're describing with the metal screens...sun screens where you can see out or in but the screen is a piece of art, bright colors nothing drab...the screen would certainly tie in all the loose ends of the schizoid areas.....there are many good and talented artists in the city, need not look far.....might make the building "priceless" within only one generation!!!!!

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Found the site, the GNO Foundation building has offset openings but is harmonious as opposed to the hospital on some areas of the facade.....Lee Circle was certainly ripe for a makeover

[FenderOz]

The new GNO building doesn't overdo the staggered windows, but at this point I'm already tired of seeing it. Back when I was in DC they were building a couple new GWU buildings in Foggy Bottom that were probably 8-10 stories... all staggered windows. Almost enough to make you dizzy.

I realize there is a statement made with the design, and sometimes it can be done tastefully, but I'm already tired of looking at it. Staggered windows on a rectangular building is becoming a cliche imo and that's not good seeing as how these buildings will be there for a long time.

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Originally Posted by FenderOz

The new GNO building doesn't overdo the staggered windows, but at this point I'm already tired of seeing it. Back when I was in DC they were building a couple new GWU buildings in Foggy Bottom that were probably 8-10 stories... all staggered windows. Almost enough to make you dizzy.

I realize there is a statement made with the design, and sometimes it can be done tastefully, but I'm already tired of looking at it. Staggered windows on a rectangular building is becoming a cliche imo and that's not good seeing as how these buildings will be there for a long time.

I would have to say I whole heartily agree with your observations! !!!!

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Originally Posted by FenderOz

The new GNO building doesn't overdo the staggered windows, but at this point I'm already tired of seeing it. Back when I was in DC they were building a couple new GWU buildings in Foggy Bottom that were probably 8-10 stories... all staggered windows. Almost enough to make you dizzy.

I realize there is a statement made with the design, and sometimes it can be done tastefully, but I'm already tired of looking at it. Staggered windows on a rectangular building is becoming a cliche imo and that's not good seeing as how these buildings will be there for a long time.

I would guess this is one of the buildings.....I think in an attempt to "break the monotony".....
Vertigo set in.......

[Exiled en Lafayette]

Originally Posted by moved to mamou

http://wwno.org/post/mayor-landrieu-...novation-plans

Good idea,(above article posted) but I hope it's taken further one day and becomes "The Italian Market at the Piazza d'Italia" with well built architecturally designed permanent vendor stalls following the concentric rings of the piazza, where vendors can sell fresh local vegetables, meats, and seafood etc. To honor the large Italian population of New Orleans..and contributions made by Italians and Sicilians that helped shape the culture of the city. Also to offer a fresh market approach to the residents of the CBD and future residents. As population grows with the opening of the new hospital...and more residences are available. Something for the citizens and nothing touristy. A Piazza in Italy is traditionally where people gather for buying selling and trading food goods. This could give the piazza a more authentic feel and become a great asset to the city of New Orleans and the CBD. Let's face it, the French Market is just a museum geared for the tourist industry. Any authentic sense of a public market was lost when it was renovated in the last decade.

http://www.turismo.intoscana.it/allt...rmers-markets/

I found this online check out the Sant' Ambrosio Market in Florence, I could easily see this happening at the Piazza d'Italia without much work to set up permanent shelters...the restrooms are already in the clock tower

http://www.turismo.intoscana.it/allt...-food-markets/

"However, Florentines’ favourite market is the Sant’Ambrogio Market. In the Sant’Ambrogio area, you can find meat, fish, cheese and cured meats. Outside on the street, you can find the ‘barrocci’, the yelling fruit and vegetable sellers who shout their prices and deals to clients passing by; many of them have been working on the same pitch for years!"



"The ambiance of making groceries at the French Market in New Orleans"


It would be very special to have a market in the city that had the ambiance of what the French Market once had but lost....

[Exiled en Lafayette]

THE PIAZZA D'ITALIA NEW ORLEANS


With all the apartments being developed at South Market and in the Warehouse District and CBD. The narrow streets- Commerce and Lafayette could become pedestrian, bicycle and scooter only streets leading directly to the market, and the piazza market could become a very dynamic part of community life in that part of the city. There could be a scooter, bicycle sharing station there....even pedi - cab service through the area to help deliver groceries.

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Then a nice gondola ride through the lagoons of City Park?...........
Hey.....why not!!! Let's take NOLA's Italian heritage and celebrate it.....I think it's the only culture we don't celebrate in New Orleans!!!! A market like this could also bolster NOLA'S image as something more than " just Bourbon St." to the rest of the world and help showcase it as the international city it truly is and will be always.......

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_gst5y5D6j4

[moved to mamou]

Originally Posted by Evac en Grand Coteau

Then a nice gondola ride through the lagoons of City Park?...........
Hey.....why not!!! Let's take NOLA's Italian heritage and celebrate it.....I think it's the only culture we don't celebrate in New Orleans!!!! A market like this could also bolster NOLA'S image as something more than " just Bourbon St." to the rest of the world and help showcase it as the international city it truly is and will be always.......

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_gst5y5D6j4

It's sat there for close to 40 years and some of the older people, have no idea why it was built and what is it all about. They seem to think of it as something useless.....might as well put it to good use for the benefit of all without the obvious pun you posted. It's not a joke, it's a part of the community that became the most dilapidated "ruin" in the city the day after it opened. When the Lykes building became a hotel the piazza was repaired, but for what purpose, to be put to good use as an object of architectural eye candy or a great, busy, active, public space which it SHOULD be.........really no joke here.

[Evac en Grand Coteau]

Originally Posted by moved to mamou

It's sat there for close to 40 years and some of the older people, have no idea why it was built and what is it all about. They seem to think of it as something useless.....might as well put it to good use for the benefit of all without the obvious pun you posted. It's not a joke, it's a part of the community that became the most dilapidated "ruin" in the city the day after it opened. When the Lykes building became a hotel the piazza was repaired, but for what purpose, to be put to good use as an object of architectural eye candy or a great, busy, active, public space which it SHOULD be.........really no joke here.

Not necessarily a pun, I'm on your side, but this should be a market where we celebrate the authenticity of New Orleans and fresh home grown or homemade food products, also to represent what an authentic market should be, nothing touristy or gimmicky. I think this is an idea that should be cultivated....but not take 40 years to cultivate. The gondola ride was just whimsical lagniappe!!!!!! This kind of market would be a great incentive in deciding to invest in living in the, CBD or Warehouse District. I'm all for it!!!!!!!!

[moved to mamou]

Originally Posted by Evac en Grand Coteau

Not necessarily a pun, I'm on your side, but this should be a market where we celebrate the authenticity of New Orleans and fresh home grown or homemade food products, also to represent what an authentic market should be, nothing touristy or gimmicky. I think this is an idea that should be cultivated....but not take 40 years to cultivate. The gondola ride was just whimsical lagniappe!!!!!! This kind of market would be a great incentive in deciding to invest in living in the, CBD or Warehouse District. I'm all for it!!!!!!!!

I do like your NOLA promotional and motivational video in your signature.....will try to find one for my own.....thanks !!!!!

[Exiled en Lafayette]

@ Evac......found these two sites to post, also check out their Flickr sites for more pics...

http://studiowta.com/

http://www.wbarchitects.com/

[Exiled en Lafayette]

http://thelensnola.org/2014/06/20/ne...cing-its-soul/

A fairly hyper - critical assessment in the above article.....maybe Architects should take an Antonio Gaudi
Position, look at NOLA as a Barcelona and infuse every square inch of a building with artistic architectural articulation. We need not follow the trends of the rest of the US.....Trahan Architecture has an interesting somewhat Antonio Gaudi approach....but somehow I think the Historic Districts Landmarks Commission might take issue...I wish Louis Sullivan's work would be studied more when it comes to
BIG BOX buildings, Sullivan's exquisite use of art in design certainly gives this Chicago architect the upper hand in design of large scale buildings. In today's world of mass production it may not be overly expensive to add contemporary repetitive design elements with much finesse created by computer design and machine manufactured for high detail to an otherwise bland benign box building....but personally I think South market is well designed for the site where it's located. It seems appropriately designed to blend with its surroundings. Maybe New Orleans architects should rely on the past but start a new arts movement in architecture.....the time seems ripe...............................yes, this is sarcasm, we should see the good in what's going on in the city today, New Orleans is regaining it's soul, not loosing it. South Market mimics the Warehouse District, with large windows, tall ceilings and spacious rooms, nothing remotely out of touch with nola in this design.


Antonio Gaudi

Louis Sullivan

[Exiled en Lafayette]

Originally Posted by Evac en Grand Coteau

What is the address of the proposed demo for development of the Oak St Lofts?

Amann & Associates bldg not too far from where Oak st. becomes River Road, check out Curbed Nola......
http://m.nola.curbed.com/archives/20...ts-delayed.php