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Old Posted Feb 22, 2024, 10:45 PM
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i was there in 303 and i found it a real sloppy game to watch. yeah there was some boo'ing of Hartman and a few chants, but I wouldnt say it crazy fun. but i'm an old guy
Sounds like you're just old 😂
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 4:08 AM
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I was at the game, probably the best game I saw this year and I've been to a few.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 5:52 AM
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I was at the game when we played Columbus back on January 9. That was fun!
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 4:37 PM
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So Bettman is in town begging corporate sponsors to increase their commitment to the Jets.

Season ticket base is down 30%. TNSE said this is not sustainable long term.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 5:40 PM
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^ It's demonstrated that the NHL can exist at far few numbers than this over the long term (see Phoenix/Arizona, Florida, etc.)
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^ It's demonstrated that the NHL can exist at far few numbers than this over the long term (see Phoenix/Arizona, Florida, etc.)
The hypocrisy is disgusting. Bettman will allow Southern teams to remain at half capacity or worse for years but as soon as Winnipeg is hitting 70-75% capacity, it's all doom and gloom and warnings they'll move the team. Customary FUCK Bettman.
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The hypocrisy is disgusting. Bettman will allow Southern teams to remain at half capacity or worse for years but as soon as Winnipeg is hitting 70-75% capacity, it's all doom and gloom and warnings they'll move the team. Customary FUCK Bettman.
Though no fan of Bettman, to be fair, if he didn't support the relocation of the Thrashers, there would be no NHL in Winnipeg.

Now that Chipman is commenting on poor attendance, I think that speaks volumes. Maybe Thomson wants out; who knows. There may be the day where small markets like Winnipeg will no longer, financially, be able to support Tier-1 pro sports teams. Starting to see it in the NFL where small market teams such as Jacksonville may be considering relocation.

There needs to be a team back in Atlanta. It will fail, again, and relocate to Canada as history has shown!
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 7:50 PM
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^ Does Chipman have his glasses on or off? If the glasses are off, it is indeed dire.

But honestly, this is a conversation between the Jets and local business owners who need to step up. And also an overhaul with the sales department at TNSE. They dropped the ball big time over the past 3 or 4 years - and they are going to have to put some work in to get things back on track.
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The hypocrisy is disgusting. Bettman will allow Southern teams to remain at half capacity or worse for years but as soon as Winnipeg is hitting 70-75% capacity, it's all doom and gloom and warnings they'll move the team. Customary FUCK Bettman.
I.believe the difference between Winnipeg and many US markets is that the southern markets have the potential to sellout every game, due to large population in the metro area. In Winnipeg, the Jets are the #1 draw in terms of entertainment. Unfortunately, the threshold of the market is being tested.

In the aftermath of COVID, and the increase in cost of living, many Manitobans have made paying mortgages off, and other essentials more of a priority. The only thing I would change, is to sack the TNSE marketing team.

"Go ahead and give up your season tickets, we could not care less!" is a horrible way to treat loyal Jets fans.
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There needs to be a team back in Atlanta. It will fail, again, and relocate to Canada as history has shown!
Atlanta and Salt Lake City are the favorites to becomes teams # 33 and 34.
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Attendance for last Tuesdays game was 14,700. I think people were really disappointed and uncertain over the summer after another player demanded a trade and we weren't sure what we would have this year. That on top of covid made for very poor attendance at the beginning of this season. Now that the team has proven to be a contender, I think things will turn around.

I do admit the marketing team should be revamped as they more then dropped the ball over the last few years. They never made an effort from the get go because they didn't have to. Their hubris has just finally caught up with them.
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Winnipeg Jets ownership sounds the alarm on attendance: ‘Not going to work over the long haul
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WINNIPEG, Manitoba — Behind a large desk in an office tower with a view out over True North Square, Mark Chipman is working the phones.
Chipman is chairman of the Winnipeg Jets. A local businessman who got caught up in the failed movement to save his city’s NHL team three decades ago, he later fixed his gaze on bringing big-league hockey back to one of the smallest markets in North American professional sports and defied the odds by actually making it happen.
On this day, he’s still fighting to ensure the Jets work in Winnipeg by taking on a cumbersome task: making personal calls to those who have let their season tickets lapse.
The organization’s once-solid foundation seems to again be quaking beneath Chipman’s feet. Even playing out of the NHL’s smallest permanent arena, which holds 15,225 fans for hockey games, the Jets are drawing just 87.4 percent of capacity this season, the third-lowest mark in the 32-team league. Their overall average attendance of 13,306 is the lowest of any NHL team other than the Arizona Coyotes, who are playing in a college arena. And that’s despite the Jets being one of the top-performing teams in the Western Conference.
Winnipeg’s season-ticket base has suffered a 27 percent decline in just three years, falling from approximately 13,000 to just under 9,500, according to the Jets.
“I wouldn’t be honest with you if I didn’t say, ‘We’ve got to get back to 13,000,’” Chipman said. “This place we find ourselves in right now, it’s not going to work over the long haul. It just isn’t.”
One by one, Chipman gathers first-hand information from the people who are no longer walking through the doors of Canada Life Centre after filling the building for 332 straight sellouts upon the Jets’ return in October 2011.
Why did they stop coming?
What would convince them to return?
It’s difficult to imagine another member of the NHL’s Board of Governors rolling up their sleeves to this degree, but failure to turn the situation around could threaten the 2.0 version of the Jets’ ability to remain healthy and competitive in the long-term, Chipman said.
The Jets’ health, on and off the ice, is an extremely sensitive subject in a city where heartbreak has been felt before. The Jets left town once already — for Arizona, perhaps the ultimate symbol of hockey’s southern expansion — only to be reborn with a second chance. Losing the team again would likely mean the end for top-tier pro sports in Winnipeg.
So Chipman is looking for opportunities to win back business by offering invitations to former ticket buyers to return for a game of their choice before the end of this regular season.
“They’ve been really very friendly,” Chipman said of his calls during an exclusive interview with The Athletic this week. “When I first started making them, I wasn’t sure what I would encounter, but they weren’t hard calls. They were, ‘Look, I want to come back, but I’ve got two kids, 9 and 11. They’re playing hockey. I can’t come to that many games.’ And I get it. We understand.
“Had another guy annoyed over the fact that we had a discounted ticket and beer offering last year. Fair enough. You’re a full-season ticket holder. Somebody in your section got in on a promotion we did. Our bad.
“It’s a whole range of stuff, but pretty much everyone I spoke to today is coming back to a game.”

Amid the swirl of excitement that accompanied Winnipeg’s return to the league after a 15-year hiatus was a warning from NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.
“It isn’t going to work very well unless this building is sold out every night,” he said.
That statement didn’t initially pop the way it does when read in the current context, because in the spring of 2011, there was a fervor around the reborn Jets. When it was announced that the Atlanta Thrashers were migrating north to Manitoba, 13,500 season tickets were sold in 17 minutes on a Saturday.
Much had changed since the original Jets left town, starting with the construction of a well-appointed downtown arena and the introduction of a league-wide salary cap that tied player salaries to overall revenue.

What remained the same was the fact that Winnipeg would need to punch above its weight to compete with teams based out of much larger markets like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and Toronto. With a population of 749,607, according to the 2021 Canadian Census, there’s a friendly feel in the air here: the kind of place where Chipman routinely hears opinions on the team’s roster while pumping gas and where, yes, you may end up receiving a phone call from the NHL franchise’s chairman about renewing your season tickets.
Chipman said he feels “indebted” to the NHL for the city’s second chance.
He first made a presentation to top league officials in January 2007 during a meeting that included representatives from Las Vegas, Seattle, Houston and Kansas City, and ultimately saw Winnipeg pushed to the front of the queue when the Thrashers came up for sale and relocation four years later.
While NHL officials continue to believe in the viability of the market — “We wish all of our clubs were selling all of their tickets for every game, but I can’t say there’s a level of concern,” deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Athletic during the NHL’s Board of Governors meeting in December — Chipman acknowledged that the Jets are on the radar at league’s head office for reasons they’d rather not be.
“They pay attention,” he said. “They see the numbers. They see where the league’s at and where we’re at. And we’re an outlier right now. So, rightfully, they want to know, what are you doing? What’s going on? What happened and what are you doing about it?”
Bettman is scheduled to visit Winnipeg on Tuesday and get a firsthand look at the situation, meeting with key corporate sponsors and potentially even addressing fans directly before that night’s game against the St. Louis Blues.
That comes as the organization’s sales team has started shifting its attention to the 2024-25 season. For the first time this season, the Jets will give priority on playoff ticket purchases to those who put down a deposit on season seats for next season. And they’ve grown more flexible with options covering a select number of games.

Currently, the team has a season-ticket base of roughly 9,500 — an unsustainably low number, according to Chipman. The team saw a big decline in renewals when the pandemic hit and has endured subsequent drops after the past two seasons.
They are now feverishly trying to reverse the tide.

To understand how the Jets got here, you must first understand what made their lengthy sellout streak unique to begin with.
They managed to fill the building for more than a decade despite having just 15 percent of their season seats purchased by businesses. That lags well below the norm in a league in which some teams sell 50 percent of their tickets to corporate interests, according to Chipman.
What that means in practical terms is, in Winnipeg you need real people to spend real money on 41 home dates per year. And the way they did that initially was through a significant number of individuals going in on shared season-ticket packages with friends and family — a market reality that Chipman viewed as a strength until seeing what happened when a member or two of each group moved out of town or ran into a situation in which they could no longer afford to keep up their end of the arrangement.
“It was like a bubble that burst on us,” Chipman said. “We had what I thought was this strength in numbers that didn’t turn out to be.”
In response, they’ve tried to rally local business leaders.
The Jets have recently recruited 34 well-connected men and women and asked them to tap into their networks to try and generate new business. Chipman said he’s been extremely forthcoming with that group about the challenges of operating an NHL team. The idea is to not only tug at civic pride but also reinforce the positive economic and psychological benefits that the presence of the Jets brings to the community.

“What we try to convey to those people is, we’re trying to win,” Chipman said. “And in order to win or be competitive, we’ve got to keep up. We will never match the Leafs’ gate. It’s really remarkable. We can’t match that. But Edmonton really outperforms us, and that’s harder to accept, right? Because we think of ourselves as equals.
“I know Edmonton is a bigger city and they have that pedigree of all those Stanley Cups, but I think most people in Winnipeg and most people in Edmonton look at one another (with) a healthy respect.”
There’s a natural inclination for him to look around the league and draw these comparisons. Unlike the NFL or NBA, which have massive national television rights deals, the NHL remains a gate-driven league. And elsewhere, business is booming.
Chipman specifically mentions the success of markets that were once referred to as “non-traditional,” like Nashville, Dallas, Carolina, Florida and Las Vegas.
“The game’s growing,” he said. “You’ve seen it. You’ve had a front-row seat. Those markets in the U.S. that we used to look down upon, they’re fun, and they’re alive.”
To some degree, the lingering effects of the pandemic and an inflationary environment account for what’s happened in his own backyard, but that doesn’t tell the entire story. The Jets have the second-cheapest tickets in Canada, according to Chipman, and they plan to institute only a negligible bump in cost for some sections, with a decrease in others, next season.
Chipman doesn’t shy away from the organization’s role in the current state of affairs.
They’ve heard complaints from customers ranging from the high costs associated with transferring tickets between members of a group to frustrations about the Jets’ previous unwillingness to sell smaller packages. They’ve also had to build up a sales staff that wasn’t needed in the days when the tickets basically sold themselves.

“We’ve had to reinvent ourselves,” Chipman said. “For 10 years, we weren’t a sales organization; we were a service organization, and I’m not sure we were that good of a service organization, to be honest with you.”
As the Jets’ business took a turn in recent years, one of the toughest parts about addressing the problem has been talking about it at all.
There’s a sensitivity to the fact that people in the community are struggling. There are more important things than professional hockey. And as the team found out when it evoked images of the 1996 Jets departure as part of a ticket-selling campaign dubbed “Forever Winnipeg” last spring, even the vague notion of a looming threat to its viability wasn’t received well.
“Because of the history, it’s a bit of a tinderbox,” Chipman said. “In retrospect, we weren’t trying to be dramatic, but it got people’s hair up. That wasn’t the intent, but our bad. So it is not just the issue of not wanting to appear to be whining about this or evoking sympathy, it’s also the issue of not wanting to appear to be in any way threatening.
“And that’s hard given the history.”

Chipman himself is still searching for the right words here. He remembers first-hand the emotional roller coaster those involved with the “Save the Jets” campaign rode in the mid-1990s and said, “I can honestly say to our fan base, I understand whatever that is — whatever that feeling is.”
If not by his words, he should be judged by his actions.
In the face of declining ticket revenues, the Jets have continually upgraded and modernized Canada Life Centre and have now invested as much in building improvements as they spent on building it, according to Chipman. They also handed out $119 million in long-term contract extensions to Connor Hellebuyck and Mark Scheifele in October. They extended Nino Niederreiter in December. And they got a jump on the competition by trading a first-round pick to Montreal for Sean Monahan during the All-Star break.
They are a team spending to the salary-cap ceiling and turning over every rock necessary to build a Stanley Cup contender. They’re doing so with the belief that fans will see the promise in what they’re building and start returning in greater numbers. And they’ve been encouraged by some recent numbers, including 13,786 against San Jose on Feb. 14 and 14,707 against Minnesota on Tuesday.
“I would hope that if you walked around any one of the four floors here or over in hockey ops and said, ‘What is it? What is it you are trying to be? What is True North and the Jets?’ I would hope that without much hesitation, most people would say, ‘A source of pride,’” Chipman said.
“That’s what teams ought to be, and that’s what we’re trying to convey to people. We’re trying to be something you can be proud of.”
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2024, 9:41 PM
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^ meh. Paul Friesen's retort in the Sun today is basically how I feel on this.
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I honestly don't get Chipman sometimes. He seems like a well educated man, but tends to make some very bone-headed comments and decisions on occasion. For instance, bringing Bettman to the city.....to do what? Utter threats and intimidation to fans in front of the team? What does he think that is going to accomplish? I fear this will only alienate more fans, just as the attendance tide appears to be turning.

Chipman seems to be in panic mode and not making very rational decisions. He seems very reactive and not in a great way, and I get the feeling he still doesn't want to fully accept that is staff have treated fans like second class citizens instead of valuing them.

Chipman, wake up and get it together. I know you are smarter than this.
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It’s all cost. Jets tickets or a winter vacation? Which would you choose if you’ve got $5000 to blow? Especially with housing and grocery costs. Most of these people used to have ten grand to blow so they could afford both, but not anymore. They really need to wake up. People took a massive hit on cost of living over the last couple years. It’s insulting for them to approach the citizens with this attitude. I think it will backfire. Even businesses are cutting back on buying tickets because their own profit margins have shrunk from extra costs.

The only way they can make up for this debacle now is to shut up and win a cup. Even Vegas has one of those.
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Honestly, I'm not worried. Given that attendance numbers throughout the league are down else where, it's not surprising given the current economic circumstances that everybody is going through now. Of course given the size of our market, that is heavily amplified by various media outlets too.

The product on the ice right now is the best we've seen, since at least the 2017-2018 season, (maybe the best yet, but who knows until the end of the season from this point on), but that doesn't mean attendance figures will improve. If it was the other way that we thought it would be prior to training camp in September, perhaps attendance figures would have dipped even more. Yet, two of our biggest stars re-signed 7-year contracts, plus our trade acquisitions being in the line-up and producing great numbers than who we traded to LA... combined... along with other recent transactions, may have kept our attendance numbers as they are right now.

Whether or not that actually made a difference remains to be seen though. All it matters right now is the playoffs are two months away, which would guarantee attendance numbers at obviously inflated prices, plus Whiteout Street Parties and other costs.

It's a big bump in the road for TNSE right now, so unless companies on this planet pay their employees more to reflect on the current inflation costs, this problem will continue to persist, and that is another topic to discuss elsewhere.
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So Bettman is in town begging corporate sponsors to increase their commitment to the Jets.

Season ticket base is down 30%. TNSE said this is not sustainable long term.
Begging? I dunno
More likely Bettman is in town as part of his annual tour to every nhl city and it coincided with other business interests from TNSE

If he moves the needle forward for the sth base, it’s not a bad thing. The Jets need a stable corporate base. 15% is too low now matter what anyone thinks of this drama

It could be relationship building with big corporate wigs. The media is of course going to sensationalize for clicks
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I honestly don't get Chipman sometimes. He seems like a well educated man, but tends to make some very bone-headed comments and decisions on occasion. For instance, bringing Bettman to the city.....to do what? Utter threats and intimidation to fans in front of the team? What does he think that is going to accomplish? I fear this will only alienate more fans, just as the attendance tide appears to be turning.

Chipman seems to be in panic mode and not making very rational decisions. He seems very reactive and not in a great way, and I get the feeling he still doesn't want to fully accept that is staff have treated fans like second class citizens instead of valuing them.

Chipman, wake up and get it together. I know you are smarter than this.

One definitely hears far too many trending stories for it to be a few vocal disgruntled people. Hopefully he eventually comes to that conclusion via actually speaking to the fans. You just hope it wasn’t one or two people who power tripped far too frequently and messed up these relationships with the hardcore fans. Boom then covid happens and you realize that 4K tv from the comfort of your home is pretty good…why go back to that type of service? I don’t blame fans - it may even be a special type of hurt because you’re a fan of these team and emotionally invested.

You gotta give it to him, on a positive note, that he’s actually picking up the phone and calling former STH’s that have left. Few people in the nhl even on struggling teams would be doing that. That’s pretty cool from an owner of a team.

I have faith they will turn it around…there was a time, if I’m not mistake , when the bombers had a terrible relationship with sth’s…now they’re considered a gold standard on many fronts including that one in the cfl
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I don't pay much attention as I'm with roccerfeller, this isn't about John and Jane Q. Citizen. It's 98.5% about corporate sales. Brad from the fire department in North Kildondan, raising his kids, or getting ready for retirement isn't who the Jets are chasing. Set the climate, and the regular fan will buy their 1-3 games worth of tickets every year. But they aren't going to solve your season ticket holding challenges. The bulk of those sales need to be mopped up by organisations that can make it a business expense.

On an individual level, there's next to nothing Chipman could do to entice me to buy more or less for that matter. Not having access to City Place irritates me, and he would probably get 1 more game out of me if that was accessible. Perhaps that's worth doing, perhaps not, but I doubt it is the type of needle move TNSE is looking for.
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Has anyone speculated on why there is such low corporate response to buying Jets season tickets? It seems like there's enough medium-to-big hitters in the Winnipeg market that some of them should be able to step up and buy a couple of tickets to offer to their employees. I'm obviously missing something here.
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