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Old Posted Feb 6, 2021, 8:48 PM
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Grand Central will sit like a Beaux Arts jewellery box between Vanderbilt & Commodore.
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This tower will be covered in a "skeleton" of those columns, similar in a way to 425 Park. Those 4 terrace levels promise to be spectacular, whether they be indoor or outdoor or both.

The amenities for both the office workers and the hotel should be fantastic in this tower.
















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I hope it could be slimmed down a little in bulk - it's a bit bulky.
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I hope it could be slimmed down a little in bulk - it's a bit bulky.
Well, seeing as how this render is scaled to just under 1500', if they build it to 1646' I think it will appear slimmed down a little (assuming the width is the same, which it should be)
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I hope it could be slimmed down a little in bulk - it's a bit bulky.
It only seems bulky in comparison to all the skinny supertalls NYC has been getting lately. Its proportions are only slightly above average for a supertall
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I hope it could be slimmed down a little in bulk - it's a bit bulky.
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It only seems bulky in comparison to all the skinny supertalls NYC has been getting lately. Its proportions are only slightly above average for a supertall

It's the drawing that shows it as being bulky. It actually won't be as bulky as that, particularly from that profile. The east and western profiles are the slimmer sides. I wouldn't call 30 Hudson and 1 Vanderbilt skinny supertalls though. Or any of the other recent supertall office towers. Those are the towers you would compare it too, not a slender residential.








Anyway, there was once another 175 Park Avenue proposed above Grand Central....I know everyone remembers this.




https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:175_Park_Avenue,_Breuer_04.jpg






https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/24/arts/design/times-square-grand-central-tour.html





https://www.grandcentralterminal.com/history/




https://uz.figgysfoodtruck.com/10438-a-short-history-of-grand-central-terminal-in-nyc.html
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From TF Cornerstone...


https://tfc.com/blog/in-development/tf-c...s-for-a-new-mixeduse-building-in-midtown

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TF Cornerstone Announces 175 Park Avenue, Plans for a New Mixed-Use Building in Midtown

February 05, 2021


TF Cornerstone (TFC), in partnership with RXR Realty, announced plans to replace the existing Grand Hyatt Hotel in Midtown East with 175 Park Avenue, a mixed-use building designed by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill (SOM).

.....Designed to resemble classic Art Deco towers, 175 Park Avenue will be set back in four places, mimicking a wedding cake, as T.J. Gottesdeiner of SOM explained. Thick sets of steel columns, wrapped in patterned metal, will climb up the entire building, coalescing in a lattice shaped crown on the 86th floor, offering a “heroic expression that the building will be known for,” Gottesdeiner said. Beneath the columns, the building will be wrapped in a transparent glass façade, allowing passersby to gaze upon sides of Grand Central that have been obstructed for decades.

175 Park Avenue will begin the city’s Uniform Land Use Review Process (ULURP) this spring. Demolition is anticipated to commence in 2022, with the project’s completion slated for 2030.

So next year the demo begins.
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review this year and demo next year? niiiice. this one really has me geeked because its actually so perfectly envisioned for its site. that base is just jaw dropping remarkable.
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review this year and demo next year? niiiice. this one really has me geeked because its actually so perfectly envisioned for its site. that base is just jaw dropping remarkable.

Yeah, this is one that can be truly, truly appreciated at the ground level.



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Controversial Design Unveiled for a New Supertall by SOM in New York


February 8, 2021
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In 1980, Donald Trump made his first foray in Manhattan real estate, turning the stolid 26-story. Commodore Hotel on Manhattan’s East 42nd Street into the ugly, glass-encased Grand Hyatt. That same year, architect T.J. Gottesdiener went to work at Skidmore, Owings & Merrill.

Forty years later, the hotel has outlived its usefulness, and Gottesdiener, now a consulting partner at SOM, has designed a two-million-square-foot mixed use tower to replace it.
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The 1,653-foot-high building will be half again as tall as the nearby Chrysler Building, immediately across Lexington Avenue, making the art deco masterpiece invisible from the west.

But Jon McMillan, the director of planning for TF Cornerstone, co-developer of the building, argues that the Chrysler Building is already obscured by One Vanderbilt, the brand new 1,401-foot -high KPF tower just west of Grand Central Terminal, and that his much taller building, on the east side of the terminal, will at least provide a neutral backdrop
for William Van Alen’s classic spire. (Renderings showing the relationship of the new building to its 1930 neighbor have not yet been released, though McMillan says “they’re coming.”)
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Meanwhile, views of Chrysler from the northeast will be erased by Foster + Partner’s new tower at 270 Park Avenue, expected to top out at more than 1,400 feet. McMillan says he believes the three supertalls will have a “lovely relationship” and that “a new Manhattan skyline is emerging.
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Not everyone is happy about that new skyline, the result of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's 2017 upzoning of the east Midtown neighborhood. “New York has two skyscrapers that are indispensable to the character of the city—the Empire State Building and the Chrysler Building—and to overwhelm one of them in this way is a sacrilege,” says Samuel White, a founding partner of the firm Platt Byard Dovell White (and a great-grandson of Stanford White). The new SOM building, White later wrote in an email, “replaces bad taste (Trump's mirrored curtain wall) with bad manners.”
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TF Cornerstone and its development partners, RXR and MSD Capital (an investment vehicle for tech magnate Michael Dell), made the announcement when Manhattan office space is going begging. With an expected cost of about $3 billion, the building “is a vote of confidence in New York City’s future,” McMillan says, though he concedes that construction won’t begin until an anchor tenant emerges. “Of course it scares you,” he says of the pandemic, “but we think things will get back to normal. There will always be top companies looking for office space and don’t want to go all the way down to the World Trade Center.” The building, to be known as 175 Park Avenue, hasn’t been redesigned in light of the coronavirus, but state-of-the-art air handling systems and column-free floor plates of varying sizes, will give tenants safety and maximum flexibility, he says.
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The building, which will take until 2030 to complete, has been in the planning stages for more than three years, according to McMillan. Early steps included negotiating with the Metropolitan Transit Authority about the project’s impact on the subway station directly below it. The developers will greatly expand the station and add significant new public spaces, including a plaza, by James Corner Field Operations, that will wrap around the building. But the presence of the station means the new building can touch the ground only at two points on 42nd Street. At each of those points, a bundle of curved columns will emerge from the ground. (The two bundles, one observer noted, will make the building’s 42nd Street façade “look like a giant pair of harem pants.”)

The columns will form a tube-like structural system at the building’s perimeter, similar to that of Minoru Yamasaki’s World Trade Center towers. The building will house a new Hyatt on its top floors, below what is expected to be the highest roof in the Western Hemisphere. (A few buildings with lower roofs are nominally higher, thanks to spires or antennas.)
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Almost half a century ago, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld New York City’s landmarks preservation law in a case that barred building directly over Grand Central Terminal. Yet it is only because the developers bought Grand Central’s air rights that they now hope to reach almost a third of a mile into the sky. With the SOM building on one side and One Vanderbilt on the other, Grand Central may look as if it’s fallen to the bottom of a canyon.
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The 1,653-foot-high building will be half again as tall as the nearby Chrysler Building, immediately across Lexington Avenue, making the art deco masterpiece invisible from the west. But Jon McMillan, the director of planning for TF Cornerstone, co-developer of the building, argues that the Chrysler Building is already obscured by One Vanderbilt, the brand new 1,401-foot -high KPF tower just west of Grand Central Terminal, and that his much taller building, on the east side of the terminal, will at least provide a neutral backdrop for William Van Alen’s classic spire. (Renderings showing the relationship of the new building to its 1930 neighbor have not yet been released, though McMillan says “they’re coming.”) Meanwhile, views of Chrysler from the northeast will be erased by Foster + Partner’s new tower at 270 Park Avenue, expected to top out at more than 1,400 feet. McMillan says he believes the three supertalls will have a “lovely relationship” and that “a new Manhattan skyline is emerging.
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Just 5m shy to the taipei 101 , this building will be massive
It s about time gary barnett think to do a come bach of cpt spire !
This is my opinion .
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Okay, I'm not a height masturbater BUT I would like to point out that we have several journalistic reports stating the ~1,650+ figure and we also have the SOM representative specifically stating the profile drawing received in the CB meeting was "slightly under scaled". Can we interpret these two things as meaning the top of this tower is still under refinement and the outcome could very well be a more pointed, less flat crown?
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I think there very well could be some modification of the crown. At the CB5 meeting, I recall them mentioning that the crown lighting was under consideration. Leads me to think some modification as the process commences closer to approval or the environmental review. Something is bound to change from inception to final completed design. If minor, to be determined. We might learn more once we get AMSL diagrams or DOB submittals or gather some permit diagrams.
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Okay, I'm not a height masturbater BUT I would like to point out that we have several journalistic reports stating the ~1,650+ figure and we also have the SOM representative specifically stating the profile drawing received in the CB meeting was "slightly under scaled". Can we interpret these two things as meaning the top of this tower is still under refinement and the outcome could very well be a more pointed, less flat crown?
It's been understood since the design came out (and in earlier scoping meetings) that things like floor heights haven't been finalized. Even a change to one floor would likely change exact height figures. We already know the general scale if the tower is 1,600 ft. As long as the design is still in flux, we won't have a hammered down, exact height. We just go with whatever they give us at the time.
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It is rather amusing that 1653' is now floating around along with 1646'. I somehow doubt they can really be making 7' tweaks to the design at this point. But who knows.
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It is rather amusing that 1653' is now floating around along with 1646'. I somehow doubt they can really be making 7' tweaks to the design at this point. But who knows.
It happens. Vanderbilt was up to 1,514 ft before settling on 1,501 ft (before a further revision to 1,401 ft). 30 Hudson also had height tweaks. A revision could mean many things, especially when considering floor heights. I'm not too concerned about the exact height though. They'll give it eventually, but we already know the gist of it. It will be TALL.


I'm expecting some varied heights on the office floors like 1 Vanderbilt...


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Fingers crossed for a hotel roof top bar.
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It happens. Vanderbilt was up to 1,514 ft before settling on 1,501 ft (before a further revision to 1,401 ft). 30 Hudson also had height tweaks. A revision could mean many things, especially when considering floor heights. I'm not too concerned about the exact height though. They'll give it eventually, but we already know the gist of it. It will be TALL.


I'm expecting some varied heights on the office floors like 1 Vanderbilt...


Wow- I didn't realize the floor heights varied that much in 1 Vandy.
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