CHICAGO | Salesforce Tower | 850 FT | 60 FLOORS

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by lakeshoredrive

Then they should've done the same with WPW's crown.

different design architects.

WPW is bKL.

WPE & WPS are PCP.

[nomarandlee]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

different design architects.

WPW is bKL.

WPE & WPS are PCP.

Oh interesting, somewhere along the line I forgot that WPE was bKL. I was thinking that all three were done by PCP. Glad that WPS is going to be PCP again.

[maru2501]

I am going to ask Santa for 7SD to be built there and see what happens. Also, Santa hates me, so...

[Busy Bee]

It's possible

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Busy Bee

It's possible

anything is possible, but when was the last time 1.8M SF of perfectly serviceable large floorplate office space in reasonably good shape electively demolished to make way for an even larger/taller development in chicago?

i can't think of any such examples off the top of my head.

the inertia of buildings as large as the apparel center tends to keep them in place for the long haul.

[LouisVanDerWright]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

anything is possible, but when was the last time 1.8M SF of perfectly serviceable large floorplate office space in reasonably good shape electively demolished to make way for an even larger/taller development in chicago?

i can't think of any such examples off the top of my head.

the inertia of buildings as large as the apparel center tend to keep them in place for the long haul.

The only time anything remotely similar to this has happened is when the Morrison Hotel came down for Chase Tower...

[Cheap_Shot]

Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright

The only time anything remotely similar to this has happened is when the Morrison Hotel came down for Chase Tower...

This site says that the Morrison Hotel was the 3rd tallest building to ever be voluntarily demolished. I can't comment to how accurate the list is, but interesting nonetheless.

https://www.constructionjunkie.com/b...ily-demolished

[SamInTheLoop]

As Steely mentions, the Apparel Center coming down would very likely be a long time off. They've put a lot of money into the building, and my assumption is it's well-leased and a decent-performing asset. Likely will go nowhere for decades.



Also, I continue to not understand the slightest disappointment with this tower. I suppose it's just height fanboys living in a constant state of make-believe land? I don't get what else it could be. It's a beautifully designed tower, and if executed as well as the fantastic WPE (highly likely it will be), will be an excellent addition (and yes - an excellent addition in this specific location).

[jc5680]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

Also, I continue to not understand the slightest disappointment with this tower. I suppose it's just height fanboys living in a constant state of make-believe land? I don't get what else it could be. It's a beautifully designed tower, and if executed as well as the fantastic WPE (highly likely it will be), will be an excellent addition (and yes - an excellent addition in this specific location).

Definitely the curse of a proposal that dared to ever suggest it would be above 1000ft. Lots of comments from the usual suspects with a more myopic height obsession

[JK47]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

It's a beautifully designed tower

It's fine and looks like a well executed design but it's more along the lines of competent or professionally executed. The design isn't really very distinctive and it isn't really doing anything that hasn't been done before, or even recently, along the river. There's nothing particularly distinctive about it or unique which is the problem.

There were two choices here, you could go big which would compensate for a lack of architectural flair or you could go smaller but try harder with design. This however does neither which, given its prime location, is a disappointment.

A prime site like this demanded a centerpiece...something bold...and instead we get something nice but just a tad boring.

[aaron38]

I actually like the 700-800 ft. wall that is being created from WPS down to 110 N Wacker. It's solid and imposing. Who needs spindly height when you've got brutal force?

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by aaron38

I actually like the 700-800 ft. wall that is being created from WPS down to 110 N Wacker. It's solid and imposing. Who needs spindly height when you've got brutal force?

I agree to a certain extent, and it beats empty lots obviously, but this was an epic location for a building that was noticeably tall by Chicago standards.

anything is possible, but when was the last time 1.8M SF of perfectly serviceable large floorplate office space in reasonably good shape electively demolished to make way for an even larger/taller development in chicago?

i can't think of any such examples off the top of my head.

the inertia of buildings as large as the apparel center tends to keep them in place for the long haul.

Thompson center? Definitely not 1.8 MSF but still a massive/well known building, although it's just speculation as of now supposedly.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Zapatan

Thompson center?

i don't think anyone would describe the thompson center as "x SF of perfectly serviceable large floorplate office space in reasonably good shape".

the thompson center is a building with a long sordid history of issues compounded by a mountain of deferred maintenance. the apparel center is not.

and most importantly, the thompson center hasn't been torn down yet. it's destiny is yet to be written.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

i don't think anyone would describe the thompson center as "x SF of perfectly serviceable large floorplate office space in reasonably good shape".

the thompson center is a building with a long sordid history of issues compounded by a mountain of deferred maintenance. the apparel center is not.

and most importantly, the thompson center hasn't been torn down yet. it's destiny is yet to be written.

Didn't realize it was that bad considering it was only built in the 80's. It's still quite a building to tear down and make way for a new one though, but yea as I said that's undecided if/when that'll happen.

[MorganChi]

Originally Posted by aaron38

I actually like the 700-800 ft. wall that is being created from WPS down to 110 N Wacker. It's solid and imposing. Who needs spindly height when you've got brutal force?

I can see you settle for anything

[aaron38]

Originally Posted by MorganChi

I can see you settle for anything

You think these 4 office towers is "settling"? Settling would be 4 15 story buildings, because that's all you're entitled to, unless you're building them yourself.

[BVictor1]

Originally Posted by aaron38

I actually like the 700-800 ft. wall that is being created from WPS down to 110 N Wacker. It's solid and imposing. Who needs spindly height when you've got brutal force?

It's monotonous and boring to a point and height would bring a nice visual vertical variation to the supposed 'brutal force'.

[KWillChicago]

If they would have just kept the spire it would have definitely put an explamation point on wolf point.

[PittsburghPA]

A friend of mine told me yesterday his company was awarded the contract as one of the subs on WPS. Apparently construction should start "any day now"...Let's keep a close eye on the site and see if he is right. Apparently all of the WPE trailers have been removed from the site.

[Investing In Chicago]

Originally Posted by PittsburghPA

A friend of mine told me yesterday his company was awarded the contract as one of the subs on WPS. Apparently construction should start "any day now"...Let's keep a close eye on the site and see if he is right. Apparently all of the WPE trailers have been removed from the site.

Piggy backing off this - my wife works for Salesforce, and was told something similar a few weeks ago...That construction will begin shortly after the first of the year, pending weather.