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Old Posted May 4, 2017, 2:39 PM
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I just hope nobody in a wheelchair (or someone pushing walker) gets confused with the westbound and eastbound platforms because it looks like it would involve about 300 metres for them to switch between the two. It would also mean either their outbound or inbound journey will require a longer walk.
Given the limited bus service and lack of density nearby, I doubt if Iris will be a popular station for those in wheelchairs. Granted all of that could change (Kenson Park screams densification to me, especially north of Iris).
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Given the limited bus service and lack of density nearby, I doubt if Iris will be a popular station for those in wheelchairs. Granted all of that could change (Kenson Park screams densification to me, especially north of Iris).

I don't think it's fair to limit that complaint to just wheelchairs. There are lots of people with mobility issues that may want to avoid stairs, whether they are in a wheelchair or using a walker or other assistive device, or just have a grocery buggy, luggage, stroller or bicycle. Spaces that are designed so that wheelchair users can get around easily tend to be places where everyone can get around easily.

It's for this reason I'm a little annoyed that Carling Station has two wide faregates facing the elevator, and three narrow faregates facing the stairs. If I have my bike, I can carry it up or down stairs but I don't want to have to deal with the narrow faregate, so I will have to wait for the elevator. Someone with an empty grocery buggy or lightweight luggage that is manageable on stairs will face similar problems at the faregates.
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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 3:36 AM
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Expansion of LRT maintenance plant upsets Eastway Gardens neighbours

Matthew Pearson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: May 16, 2017 | Last Updated: May 16, 2017 9:14 PM EDT




Things are going from bad to worse on Avenue P, say some beleaguered residents.

The townhouses along this quiet street in Eastway Gardens back onto railway tracks used by Via passenger trains and a giant earthen berm built by the city’s light-rail contractor, Rideau Transit Group.

On the other side of the berm, which is taller than a two-storey house, is the Belfast Road plant where LRT trains are currently being assembled and where they will ultimately be maintained and stored overnight once the Confederation Line opens sometime next year.

Built to shield the neighbourhood from the noise of the LRT’s sprawling maintenance and storage facility, RTG now plans to tear out the berm and replace it with a wall as part of a $100-million expansion, which is coming far sooner than most people expected.

“I just feel like I’m going to be living in a compound for the rest of the time I’m here and I’m just so disheartened by learning that,” said MJ Beauchamp, who’s lived on Avenue P since 2001.

Added neighbour Deanna Derby: “For the rest of our lives or as long as we’re going to be here, this is what we’re going to be looking at, and what happens to our property value?”

The berm will be removed to make room for new maintenance bays and an expanded vehicle storage shed. RTG intends to continue assembling vehicles and complete most of Belfast expansion before the Confederation Line opens next year and the yard begins normal daily operations.

“Is it complicated? Yes. Are they capable of doing it? Absolutely. I have every confidence that they can deliver it,” said Chris Swail, the city’s rail-planning chief.

Belfast Yard was built to store the first fleet of Alstom Citadis LRT vehicles. But late last year, the city and RTG negotiated a new memorandum-of-understanding that provides a fixed price of $492 million for 38 additional vehicles, the plant expansion and on-board train control and communications equipment.

The deal saves the city money by using assets built for the Confederation Line, such as the Belfast Yard infrastructure, for the second phase of LRT expansion, Swail said. For example, the city previously paid $10 million each for vehicles, but the next 38, under this deal, will each cost $8.9 million.

“I can certainly understand that it does seem to be coming a little fast and furious for the residents. The work hasn’t been completed yet on that site and we’re already redesigning it, but that is really just a product of circumstance.”

Residents of avenues O and P first learned of RTG’s plan at a March 30 public meeting. Another public meeting is scheduled for Wednesday.

The element of surprise and what some interpret as secretiveness around the project is unnerving, said Stuart Fraser, who’s also lived on Avenue P since 2001.

“Truth be told, I think we were all surprised at how quickly Stage 2 was going to come about,” said Alta Vista Coun. Jean Cloutier, whose office organized both meetings.

Details about the wall — its proposed height, colour and ability to quell noise — have yet to be determined by RTG, even though construction is slated to begin this summer. “They’re still working on the design,” Swail said.

Measures must mitigate any noise and vibration caused by work at Belfast Yard, but they must also not make any of the existing noise related to Via trains any worse, he said (Beauchamp, Derby and Fraser all say the noise from passing trains currently reverberates off the berm and into their homes).

“The last thing we want RTG to do is to design any kind of noise attenuation that’s going to exacerbate the noise levels the residents are experiencing,” Swail said.

He couldn’t say how much the berm cost to build because RTG doesn’t tell the city how much individual elements of the overall $2.1-billion project cost.

Much of the $492 million agreed to in the new MOU will be spent on the 38 new LRT vehicles, but about $100 million will go to the Belfast Yard expansion, including the removal of the berm.

Although Mayor Jim Watson’s oft-repeated line about headaches caused by LRT construction are “short-term pain for long-term train,” the past few years have not been easy on Eastway Gardens.

Belfast Road was closed for construction for more than 18 months between Coventry Road and Trainyards Drive. There was heavy machinery, imposing fences and dust everywhere.

Bright lights installed by RTG shone into neighbouring homes at night.

And last summer, Via removed a swath of trees and shrubs along the rail line out of fear the overgrown bush was a threat to the safety of trains and passengers.

Residents say housing prices are down and the length of time houses are on the market is up.

RTG’s bright lights will soon come down as part of the Belfast Yard expansion. The city has been spinning that as a victory for residents, but they see it differently.

“I don’t see that as a win for us,” Beauchamp said. “I don’t see any of it as a win for us.”

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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 1:08 PM
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Expansion of LRT maintenance plant upsets Eastway Gardens neighbours
I'll say it again... why not build the new noise wall on the south side of the VIA tracks so that it will provide noise abatement of both the VIA line and the maintenance yard.

They would need to make a deal with VIA to build it on their property but I can't see why they would have a problem with this.
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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 3:13 PM
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Added neighbour Deanna Derby: “For the rest of our lives or as long as we’re going to be here, this is what we’re going to be looking at, and what happens to our property value?”
I have zero sympathy for these people.

Zero.
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Old Posted May 17, 2017, 3:41 PM
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I'll say it again... why not build the new noise wall on the south side of the VIA tracks so that it will provide noise abatement of both the VIA line and the maintenance yard.

They would need to make a deal with VIA to build it on their property but I can't see why they would have a problem with this.
I'm assuming that you mean the NORTH side of the VIA tracks; between the tracks and the homes. From the article, it seems that the home owners don't think a wall is going to be a very acceptable option. They feel it will be - well, a wall. If it is moved closer to their property, it is unlikely to make them feel better about staring at a wall, since they will be staring at a closer wall.

The area occupied by the MSF has been zoned for Industrial use for a long time (Zoning = IG3: Industrial, General). I don't think that it is fair for the folks in Eastway Gardens to buy property beside an industrial area and then complain because industry is there or makes changes. These folks were able to buy a relatively inexpensive home BECAUSE it boardered an industrial property. They can't complain now that their house price is being held low because it is next to an industrial area.
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I don't think that it is fair for the folks in Eastway Gardens to buy property beside an industrial area and then complain because industry is there or makes changes.
That seems to be a god-given right in Ottawa. Think of the Glebe and Lansdowne/Ex, People backing onto the 40 year + reserved space for the Alta Vista parkway, etc. Not saying I don't understand the complaints, but it's hard to have sympathy for people who willingly put themselves in those situations
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That seems to be a god-given right in Ottawa. Think of the Glebe and Lansdowne/Ex, People backing onto the 40 year + reserved space for the Alta Vista parkway, etc. Not saying I don't understand the complaints, but it's hard to have sympathy for people who willingly put themselves in those situations
Genuine question since I am not a homeowner and have never gone through the real estate process: who is the onus on when buying a home to look into any potential projects in the area?

The Alta Vista corridor for example, does the realtor have to tell you about it, or is it your responsibility as a buyer to check development plans, TMPs, etc.?
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Genuine question since I am not a homeowner and have never gone through the real estate process: who is the onus on when buying a home to look into any potential projects in the area?

The Alta Vista corridor for example, does the realtor have to tell you about it, or is it your responsibility as a buyer to check development plans, TMPs, etc.?
Caveat emptor
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Caveat emptor
100%. Zoning is easy to look up; there's no excuse for a home buyer to be offended by continuing industrial use in their extended backyard.
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Old Posted May 18, 2017, 11:41 AM
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That seems to be a god-given right in Ottawa. Think of the Glebe and Lansdowne/Ex, People backing onto the 40 year + reserved space for the Alta Vista parkway, etc. Not saying I don't understand the complaints, but it's hard to have sympathy for people who willingly put themselves in those situations
Same thing for people in flood zones complaining about flood.
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100%. Zoning is easy to look up; there's no excuse for a home buyer to be offended by continuing industrial use in their extended backyard.
Except the previous use was a commercial condominium and the only possible way a commercial condominium would be changed it a heavier industrial use is if the city expropriated all of the units and turned it over to a heavy industrial user. I'm not sure a reasonable person could be expected to predict that.
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100%. Zoning is easy to look up; there's no excuse for a home buyer to be offended by continuing industrial use in their extended backyard.
Cool, thanks for the info gang
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Current status of the Moddie BRT(soon to be LRT) extension.
(recommended plan for reference: http://mmmgrouplimited.com/wp-conten...Architects.jpg

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I have zero sympathy for these people.

Zero.

Exactly. They bought houses beside a railway corridor and expect there to be no trains? WTF?
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Exactly. They bought houses beside a railway corridor and expect there to be no trains? WTF?
Where in the article does it say that they expect there to be no trains?
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Old Posted May 21, 2017, 2:03 PM
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Current status of the Moddie BRT(soon to be LRT) extension.
(recommended plan for reference: http://mmmgrouplimited.com/wp-conten...Architects.jpg
Thanks for the link to the plan. I have been looking for that for a while.

The work that has been done so far will likely remain BRT until the Kanata extension (depending on the final plan chosen for the Moodie LRT extension). Given that the BRT extension won't be complete for a couple more years, I wonder if it would make sense to modify the project and prep the ground east of the station for rails rather than pave it for buses and for not focus on the BRT underpasses.
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Where in the article does it say that they expect there to be no trains?
Should have said that they expect no real disruption. All because they thought Stage 2 wouldn't happen so quickly. Come one. These guys are hoping for less development in the city!
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Genuine question since I am not a homeowner and have never gone through the real estate process: who is the onus on when buying a home to look into any potential projects in the area?

The Alta Vista corridor for example, does the realtor have to tell you about it, or is it your responsibility as a buyer to check development plans, TMPs, etc.?

The realtor doesn't have to, but generally will (mine told me all sorts of stuff about my neighborhood). That's part of the claim they make as to why you should use a realtor instead of buying on your own. Also, there are some rules about disclosure that the property owners have to tell you as the buyer.
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Should have said that they expect no real disruption. All because they thought Stage 2 wouldn't happen so quickly. Come one. These guys are hoping for less development in the city!
I don't know. Somebody that bought a house in say 2010 would have bought a house that faced a railway track that had a half-dozen slow moving (either exiting or entering the station) via trains and on the far side they would have had a commercial condo.

I'm not sure they could have reasonably expected that the city would expropriate all the units in the commercial condo, build a rail yard, offer a berm as a mitigation measure, and then tear down the mitigation measure because it was convenient to do so. To me the homeowners should be bought out.
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