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Welcome to the forum, Affrojuice. Best forum name ever.

I updated the LA Central render and info on the first page. Good lookin' out LAMG.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2007, 6:06 AM
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^ I don't know why, but that comment reminded me of Coming to America. Kind of makes me hungry for McDowell's.

BigDan, you can always look at Camera 2 of the web cam for updates. I haven't been down there for a few weeks to peek into the hole myself, but from the camera it looks like just a bunch of Fraggles digging deeper right now.

Okay, that's one too many random references for one post. I'm outta here.
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This article covers ground that everyone here already knows about, & the photographer didn't even include shots of the new Ralphs or the Mktlofts bldg it's located in. Only some of the quotes from new residents makes the story worthwhile.

The reporter, by saying the Titan towers will breakground early next yr (yea, in my dreams), doesn't sound much more on top of things than the writer at the DT News who said the Ralphs would open in June, or the Medallion would start construction last Sunday.


Grocery Store Returns To A Newly Built Downtown Neighborhood


Construction workers put the finishing touches on a high-
rise residential building. (Luis Sinco / LAT)


By Cara Mia DiMassa, Times Staff Writer
July 18, 2007

Ralphs Grocery got its start in downtown Los Angeles during the horse-and-buggy days. But the supermarket abandoned the city center in 1950, a symbol of the district's rapid decline in the wake of the post-World War II suburban boom. Now, Ralphs is poised to return to the heart of the city, with a 50,000-square-foot market in the shadow of Staples Center and more than a dozen new condo towers. It is scheduled to open Friday.

The supermarket is a central part of a concerted effort by developers and urban planners to create suburban touches in one corner of downtown, an area known as South Park.

Much of downtown's renaissance so far has been focused on the rehab of buildings in downtown's pre-World War II commercial core, where dozens of once-dilapidated office buildings have been converted into luxury lofts. Residents prize century-old brick facades and lovingly restored grand lobbies — and tolerate the sometimes grimy streets that come with them. But just a mile away, South Park feels different.

Sparkling new steel-and-glass high rises are sprouting on the sites of former parking lots, auto dealerships and warehouses. Developers and city officials have planned wide sidewalks and double rows of street trees, as well as pocket parks in the middle of city blocks. There's even a light-rail platform a short walk away.

This strategy has helped developers attract to South Park businesses that are more often seen in suburbia: a Cold Stone Creamery that is going in next to the Ralphs; a Starbucks at 11th Street and Grand Avenue; and bistros, markets, nail salons and other amenities to serve the well-heeled neighborhood residents. In addition, the first phase of LA Live, a 4-million-square-foot "sports and entertainment hub," is expected to open in September. That development will include chain restaurants such as P.F. Chang's, as well as a 14-screen multiplex.

"This is a modern neighborhood," said Cynthia Heimbold, a furniture designer who moved to South Park six months ago from the historic district. "This is new construction. It's cleaner ... and I knew it was going to grow a lot quicker than the historic core, because they were starting from scratch." Heimbold has opened a furniture store on the ground floor of her building, the Elleven, to cater in part to the growing number of residents in the area. "It feels like we are on the forefront of something really cool that's happening," she said.


A Starbucks coffee shop is among the new businesses opening in the South Park neigh-
borhood, adjacent to Staples Center.


The push to integrate suburban touches into urban settings has become a cornerstone of downtown redevelopments across the nation. Cities like San Diego; Portland, Ore.; and Vancouver, Wash.; have pushed for designs and amenities that foster safe and livable city centers.

"If you are a developer today and you are building in an area like that, if you don't think about the streetscaping and the neighborhood, you are nuts," said John McIlwain, a senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute, a land-use planning think tank. "People are buying not just an apartment but a neighborhood. Everything within a quarter mile, a five-minute walk, is as important as the countertops in their kitchens. It's an extension of their environment."

Realtor David Kean, who has represented buyers, sellers and renters of South Park units, said he finds that the upscale nature of the neighborhood appeals to many would-be residents. "A lot of people want an area that's less fringey," Kean said. "They are willing to pay more to buy into an area that is already established and has stuff to do and restaurants nearby."

Still, some question whether the area will have the kind of urban fabric necessary to sustain it as a neighborhood over the long term — especially since housing prices in the area prevent many from moving in. "It might look quite sanitized and manufactured. It's certainly not authentic. But at the same time, it's marketable," said Anastasia Loukaitou-Sideris, chairwoman of the Department of Urban Planning at UCLA. "Is it a neighborhood in the old sense of the word, where you know your neighbors and can borrow a bottle of milk from them? No, probably not. That doesn't come simply through design and wider sidewalks."

In South Park, more than 3,500 residential units have gone on the market so far, and about 5,400 more are planned to become available over the next three years or so. If all of those units are built, that would mean that almost a quarter of residential units in downtown would be in South Park, according to the Downtown L.A. Business Improvement District. Although most of the new developments have risen on former parking lots, there have been concerns from some housing advocates that downtown's upscale housing could move farther south, potentially pricing out low-income residents who have long called the area home.

For Heimbold, the reasons for moving to South Park were simple. She said she wanted "to be in an area I knew, a place that you knew was growing quickly, and would go up in value."

Rents at the Met Lofts, which developers describe as a boutique residence inspired by Bauhaus design, range from about $1,670 a month for a 687-square-foot space to about $4,500 for a 1,464-square-foot loft. Most new South Park units, though, are condos, with prices starting around $500,000 and climbing steeply from there. "Not rebuilt. Not redesigned. Not re-anything," brags a website for Luma, one of the buildings by a consortium of Portland-based developers known as the South Group that has been at the forefront of the neighborhood's transformation.


Young lovers and the homeless converge at Grand Hope Park.

When Jennifer Girsky and her husband, Marc, first decided to move into the area about four years ago, the entire neighborhood was still in the planning stages, and the building they had chosen was just a hole in the ground. But Girsky said that when the couple saw plans for South Park, they loved the sparkling newness of the buildings and felt it was something vastly different for downtown. "Instead of looking old and urban, it's new and urban," said Girsky, a corporate flower designer. The couple, in their 30s, live with their Maltese dog in a spacious 12th-floor unit with two bedrooms and floor-to-ceiling windows in Elleven, a 176-unit structure at 11th and Grand that is L.A.'s first residential high rise in 20 years.

The grand scale of South Park's transformation is due in large part to an abundance of available land, much of it amassed by the AEG Group, the firm owned by billionaire Philip Anschutz that also controls Staples Center. "They had a dream, and they had Mr. Anschutz's money," said Jeff Lee of Lee Homes, which has four projects in the area, including one on land acquired from AEG. "They never gave up, and I am so glad we believed in their dream."

A big part of that dream involves a supermarket. When the downtown residential boom began, many of the new residents complained about the lack of a major supermarket in the city center. Many residents drive several miles away to stock up on groceries. The opening of the Ralphs Fresh Fare is considered a symbolic boost for downtown — the latest sign that big retailers believe the downtown loft and condo community is strong enough to support their stores. Boosters hope that if Ralphs succeeds, other retailers will follow.

The first phase of LA Live, with more chain stores, will open in the fall. Both projects have been eagerly anticipated, and could dramatically increase the amount of car and foot traffic in the area. But others cite a third wave of proposed development, what Lee refers to as "the tower wave," as South Park's ultimate test. (Most of the new residential buildings in South Park today are in the 10- to 15-story range.)

Developer Richard Meruelo has begun construction on a 36-story building at 9th Street and Flower Street. The four phases of the Metropolis project, a mixed-use project just east of the 110 Freeway, will each include a tower that is more than 30 stories. And the Titan Organization Inc. plans to break ground early next year on twin towers at Grand Avenue and Olympic Boulevard — the design of which has led some downtown watchers to nickname them the "Grand Tetons" of downtown.

The plans, indeed, are grandiose. And several of the larger projects have fallen behind schedule. But as land costs in the area continue to rise, "the clock," Lee said, "is ticking."


A woman cuts through Grand Hope Park. Friday's opening of a Ralphs in the neighbor-
hood is considered a symbolic boost for downtown.



With its proximity to Staples Center, South Park pulls clientele to upscale establishments
like The Palm restaurant on 11th Street. The area also is close to the first phase of L.A.
Live, a 4-million-square-foot sports and entertainment complex.
     
     
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I actually hope The Titan Towers don't break ground.
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Old Posted Jul 19, 2007, 6:24 AM
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I like how the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place right now, from the opening of Ralph's, to work finally starting on a proj like Concerto, to new devlpt taking place on the site of the Medallion (& I hope a lot more than just a small section of asphalt has been removed from the parking lot at 4th, Main & LA Sts)
July has been an exciting month for news, and in coming months we have Grand Avenue, Park Fifth and 1027 Wilshire ground-breakings just to name a few. Petescafe, how's Medallion looking? Not that I don't plan to shower you guys with photos of it this weekend anyway...
     
     
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July has been an exciting month for news, and in coming months we have Grand Avenue, Park Fifth and 1027 Wilshire ground-breakings just to name a few. Petescafe, how's Medallion looking? Not that I don't plan to shower you guys with photos of it this weekend anyway...
Not much else is happening. The asphalt has been hauled away and more of the parking pylons have been removed, but thats about it.

Maybe that section of the parking lot was ripped up for an upcoming ground breaking ceremony?
     
     
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I actually hope The Titan Towers don't break ground.
Why, pray tell?
     
     
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I don't know if by "utc" you're referring to a part of DTSD or a burb to SD. If you do have 2 major markets that close together in DT, & they're both managing to do well, that's darn good.

I know Ralph's opened a store in DTSD several yrs ago, & I believe someone from the company says that branch gets pretty good sales.
By UTC I meant the area of the city around the University Town Center, otherwise known as "university city." It's the 2nd densest part of the city (outside of DT) and is just east of La Jolla.

I can understand the concern regarding the supermarkets but I think these markets are compatible more than in competition (I'm including Trader Joe's in there too). They serve different niche's IMO (and in my case). Within a 3 mile radius of my apartment I have a Ralphs, Trader Joe's, Whole Foods, Gelsons, and a Vons. They've all survived for at least the last few years and all seem to be doing well.

I don't think comparisons with DTLA are that far off the mark but there may be important differences (an established neighborhood vs. one that is establishing itself) but that doesn't make me believe more supermarkets aren't a good thing.
     
     
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The concept here is about quality of products and how well companies market themselves to their audience. Every company that succeeds knows very well who their audience is. Concepts that try too hard to cater to the full spectrum usually don't do as well (or they may fail altogether).

For example, 7+FIG shopping center has been a failure not because it doesn't have enough space, but because it doesn't have a target audience in mind. It's trying to market itself as "upscale" but we obviously know it's not. So you have a Godiva, Ann Taylor, and Morton's Steakhouse that appeal to that upscale audience, but then you have fast-food, a cheap leather goods store, and a subpar toy outlet. It contradicts each other and so you never gain the kind of true audience to succeed economically. That's why the mall is empty and sucks. Luckily Brookfield (out of NYC) bought it and is in the process of repositioning it. Hopefully they know what they're doing.

Anyway, regarding how many supermarkets can be downtown and still remain viable, the answer is, of course, 1) critical mass of population, and 2) what audience each market intends to target. Trader Joe's is NOT a competition to Ralphs because it offers products that Ralphs really doesn't have. Vons, OTOH, would be a competition to Ralphs. So having a Trader Joes and Ralphs next door to each other won't hurt each other, but in fact, may help as it creates a stronger destination for people to come shop for what they need.

People don't like driving or walking too far away when they have something specific in mind to buy. If you're looking for groceries, wouldn't it be wonderful to have everything you need close together? If you're looking for clothes, isn't it wonderful to go somewhere that has all the shops in one area instead of spread apart?

In the end, it's about variety of products offered to consumers and competition yields better design and products. More hotels clustered together is a good thing, not a bad thing like how Peter Zen of Westin Bonaventure feels. Think of Las Vegas: What if there was only one hotel/casino there? Do all the hotels there hurt each other competitively? Or do they create a synergistic energy that strengthens their appeal to those who search for entertainment? I think we all know the answer to this one for anyone who has ever been to Las Vegas recently.
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Not to get of the point at hand, but maybe its time that we create a "Southern California Boom Project Rundown" topic.
It would include everything south of San Luis Opispo and Kern Counties.
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Not to get of the point at hand, but maybe its time that we create a "Southern California Boom Project Rundown" topic.
It would include everything south of San Luis Opispo and Kern Counties.
I don't think it's necessary, and I like the way it's organized now. Some people are interested mostly in downtown projects, and some have varying interest in the non-downtown areas. I think creating a So Cal Project Thread would be a redundant b/c there's a place for everything already.
     
     
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JDR, there's a whole California forum specifically for that. In the City Compilations forum there are threads for LA Downtown and LA Non-downtown, which was requested by the moderators sometime ago. You're welcome to create a big Southern California thread in the Califorum, though.

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Not much else is happening. The asphalt has been hauled away and more of the parking pylons have been removed, but thats about it.
This is why I was reluctant to move Medallion to "under construction" on the first page. If we follow the procedures of our venerable Chicago forumers - who have a pretty good system, IMO - this project is technically in site prep until they start foundation work, which in this case would involve footings and rebar, not caissons. As soon as I see building materials being installed on site, I'll move it to "under construction". Until then, I'll label it as "in site prep".
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There are also Orange County and Long Beach threads, not very active at the moment. I don't know about a bigger Southern California thread is needed. I like the smaller sub-sections. Only area "missing" would be the Inland Empire.
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This is why I was reluctant to move Medallion to "under construction" on the first page. If we follow the procedures of our venerable Chicago forumers - who have a pretty good system, IMO - this project is technically in site prep until they start foundation work, which in this case would involve footings and rebar, not caissons. As soon as I see building materials being installed on site, I'll move it to "under construction". Until then, I'll label it as "in site prep".
That's a good system to follow IMO. Until recently, Concerto would have been the "poster project" for an In Site Prep category. Medallion should proceed right through the ranks though!
     
     
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There are also Orange County and Long Beach threads, not very active at the moment. I don't know about a bigger Southern California thread is needed. I like the smaller sub-sections. Only area "missing" would be the Inland Empire.
There is nothing truly significant happening in the IE to warrant it's own thread. Besides, not many people from the IE post on SSP.

ladowntowner: I think that the Titan Towers are too tall for it's location. I think they should be downsided a bit (roughly 40 stories) and moved closer to the Historic Core.
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ladowntowner: I think that the Titan Towers are too tall for it's location. I think they should be downsided a bit (roughly 40 stories) and moved closer to the Historic Core.
If the Titan Towers were proposed for the Arts District or Chinatown I might agree with you, but South Park is slated for immense density. I say bring them on, the higher the better!
     
     
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Any new updates on the LA Live Ritz Carlton hotel?
If you look at camera 2, you can see that at least the hole is taking shape:

http://clarkconstruction.oxblue.com/lalive/

Friday: I'm all for density all over downtown. But I'm also a fan of design. The Titan Towers don't excite me as much as, say, Park Tower or One Santa Fe.
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Friday: I'm all for density all over downtown. But I'm also a fan of design. The Titan Towers don't excite me as much as, say, Park Tower or One Santa Fe.
Oh, then design is a different argument altogether.

Here's a link to the El Dorado Lofts site: http://eldoradolofts.com/
Eastern Columbia aside, my most favorite historic building in downtown.

     
     
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I actually hope The Titan Towers don't break ground.
If your talking about City House and Olympic I think they are even more iconic for Los Angeles than US Bank or City Hall. Simular to WTC but not though not as massive or significant.
     
     
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