Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[allh]

The two parking lots next to the Milagro Apartments and across 300W can be utilized so well in my opinion. Tons of infill potential

[Atlas]

Some new Kensington renderings from u/SLC_Dev on the subreddit:







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[jedikermit]

That top rendering

[wrendog]

This is gonna happen, isn't it.

[millhouse]

Originally Posted by Marvland

Love your optimism. I hope you're right. But you're not. Coming from a very civically active a restaurant and bar owner who is really sick of press zoom interviews about the "challenges facing our industry". In Utah, $2.8 billion in lost revenue in an industry than runs on razor thin margins. 500 restaurants and bars in Utah gone forever thus far. 500 more on the brink. Almost all rural restaurants outside of heavy tourist zones effectively wiped out, nationally (read that again). Anybody still alive is living on the fumes of the April stimulus. All supporting F&B downtown (U of U, office, cultural events, theater, concerts) is gone. We are in the middle of that massive wave of closings right now. Some of them are my friends and my family. My enterprises have survived thus far but that could change in an instant. The weird thing is that we here in SLC are exceedingly lucky. We are open. Sorry to be frank, I love this forum, but some of you are straight up myopic. Cities will come back. They always do. But cities do blow right now. Good chunk of my family is in LA and San Fran. It blows. IMHO there are two types of urbanism: Urbanism from before March 2020 and Urbanism from after March 2020. We need to start really thinking about the 2nd one. Because reading some of this pablum is like reading arguments from a thousand years ago.

Damn. This is starting to sink in. I'm sorry. I personally have been going to local restaurants since this started to do my part in keeping the places I love open. Perhaps you could tell us the name of your restaurants and some of us can stop in more frequently.

[Orlando]

Those are nice renderings for sure.

I don't want to be too negative, but just a couple complaints:
1) That top rendering..the scale is off. It's a 450 foot tower. The Wells Fargo Tower is 422 feet tall, and only about 10 to 15 feet lower in at its base elevation point. The One Utah Center is also shown way too short. Same with other buildings.

2) They need to change the exterior expression of this portion of the building or push it back like someone had mentioned earlier.

[RC14]

I think I prefer it to the Carl's Jr.

[Utah_Dave]

Thanks for pointing the problems with the rendering in terms of height Orlando. The perspective is definitely off making it look to tall unfortunately. That looks like a 500ft taller. Maybe a little more but it’s a nice visual for what could be on the Zions lot? Fingers crossed

[Utah_Dave]

Thanks for though Atlas! The renderings look great

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Some new Kensington renderings from u/SLC_Dev on the subreddit:



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Here's a more accurate scale. You can see how the Marriott hotel is much shorter than One Utah Center in the Google Earth view versus what was rendered. This looks like it was rendered by someone not familiar with Salt Lake. I've done renderings with people in Indonesia, Ukraine, & China. You really have to feed them good information about the site to get it right.

[Always Sunny in SLC]

That was fun catching up on the last several days of posts. The simultaneous posting of subjects was like a bar fight happening around your table as you chat about how the stock market did today blissfully unaware of the carnage. Lol.

[Blah_Amazing]

I'm trying to decide if or how much the new rendering is exaggerated. It's hard to tell without doing diagrams and measurements. It may be the angle as well. On the bottom is that original skyline rendering we got from a newspaper (I can't remember which). I added the red line at roof line. If the new one is exaggerated, it doesn't look like it is by much.

[Blah_Amazing]

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2021/01/...-city-council/
The council is meeting Tuesday to consider budget amendments for both projects.
By Rebekah Wahlberg| Jan. 4, 2021, 5:56 p.m.







ADDITIONAL PHOTOS OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE HOUSE

The Salt Lake City Council is inviting public comment on a proposed 2020-21 budget amendment that would provide funding to renovate the historic Fisher Mansion Carriage House into a recreation hub and create a redevelopment plan for the former Glendale water park.

The City Council will listen to public comment during a meeting Tuesday, Jan. 5, at 7 p.m.

The original approved budget to renovate the Fisher Mansion Carriage House — located on 200 South near the Jordan River — was $1,378,764, according to City Council documents, with a new funding request of $2,172,496.

The City Council staff report says increased costs are largely due to the renovations the building needs — including plumbing and electrical upgrades, as well as preservation of historic windows and doors — and increased costs for a planned public exhibit space.

The Fisher Mansion Carriage House project envisions the building as a hub for recreation on the Jordan River, and includes plans to convert part of the first floor into a public exploration center that would display exhibits on the natural and cultural history of the Jordan River. The building would also be a jumping-off point for a nearby boat ramp.



ADDITIONAL IMAGES OF THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE WATER PARK

Another part of the budget amendment includes a $225,000 request from the Parks & Public Lands Division to hire a consultant to write a development plan for the run-down Glendale water park, formerly known as the Wild Wave and Seven Peaks, which closed down in 2018. According to the city, a recent survey found about half of the respondents support finding a new use for the site. The City Council staff report notes that with a price tag of at least $20 million, it might be too expensive to fully restore the water park — but some of its components might be reusable.

The development plan would include an analysis of the site, developing concepts and alternatives for the park, and defining a community vision for the park.

Attendees can watch the City Council meeting on Facebook, YouTube or SLCtv, and sign up to participate in public comment through WebEx.

[Orlando]

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

I'm trying to decide if or how much the new rendering is exaggerated. It's hard to tell without doing diagrams and measurements. It may be the angle as well. On the bottom is that original skyline rendering we got from a newspaper (I can't remember which). I added the red line at roof line. If the new one is exaggerated, it doesn't look like it is by much.

If you look at my Google Earth view, you can see how different the heights are between Marriott City Center and One Utah Center. Then look at the rendering. One Utah Center and others are much shorter than what they should be. I think the modeler did all the floor heights to be the same for many of those buildings, but office floor to floor heights are typically 12 to 14 feet, whereas hotel and residential is about 10 feet. One Utah Center is 350 feet tall, yet it looks like it's half the height of the 450 foot Kensington Tower. The scale of the buildings in the rendering is off.

To counter balance my complaint, I love the project, and the rendering style is gorgeous. I hope the project gets built.

[Vize]

Love the forum! Have there been discussions by local elected officials around using a land value tax to encourage development of vacant land? Would this be workable in SLC or have to be at the level of SL County?

Vize

[Blah_Amazing]

Does anyone know what happened to this project? Is it being built? Is it cancelled?

https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/com...e-development/

[Makid]

Originally Posted by Vize

Love the forum! Have there been discussions by local elected officials around using a land value tax to encourage development of vacant land? Would this be workable in SLC or have to be at the level of SL County?

Vize

A new tax like this would require the State Legislature to first create the tax structure and then approve it. It is highly doubtful that they would consider instituting such a tax.

There was enough arguments regarding the creation of the TIF.

My understanding is that if either SLC or SL County wanted to implement such a tax today, they would need to compensate by lowering the property taxes to an equal level the new tax would create. This would make it a zero sum event for the property owners.

[delts145]

Anyone able to give us a construction photo update on the West Quarter? It's been a while.

[Atlas]

Delts, I actually snapped a photo of the West Quarter when I was in town over the holidays (taken 12/23/2020)

[delts145]

Haha, Of course, you did Atlas. You're regular updates are missed now that you're not there locally in SLC. Thanks for the update!