The Great Canadian Transit Thread

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Important to delineate in Montreal as not metro though, as that carries a collective memory of not being able to operate outside at all.

I'd also wager that the French language materials are more precise.


Could all come down to the federal bridge agreement allowing a right of way for something called light rail, so they are calling it that because who cares in the end. What matters is the ppdph will be high.

I kind of forgot about that. They could just be using their own Montreal specific nomenclature because they're concerned if they use the term metro, people could think there is some association with, or similarity to, the current metro system.

[swimmer_spe]

The Montreal RER sounds to be the same as Toronto's Smartrack.

[J.OT13]

Who will operate Montreal's RER, the STM or the AMT? If it's the AMT, will STM pass holders be allowed to use it?

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Who will operate Montreal's RER, the STM or the AMT? If it's the AMT, will STM pass holders be allowed to use it?

AMT to be dismantled, merged with other commuter agencies
Réseau transport métropolitain and Agence régionale de transport to replace at least a dozen regional agencies

The RTM will also manage some aspects of the Montreal, Longueuil and Laval transit authorities, though those organizations will continue to maintain some level of autonomy.

One of the province's main objectives is to simplify the lives of commuters travelling between different regions. They are often forced to buy different transit passes to access buses, trains and metros on different networks. ​

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/a...d-with-other-commuter-agencies-1.3048932

[nephersir7]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Who will operate Montreal's REM, the STM or the AMT?

The REM will be operated by a private operator

The three qualified consortiums that are bidding for the "rolling stock, systems, operation & maintenance" contract are

1. Alliance Montréal Mobilité (AMM):
Parsons Inc.
Hyundai Rotem Company
RATP Dev Canada Inc.
Thales Canada Inc.

2.Bombardier Transportation Canada Inc.

3. Groupe des Partenaires pour la Mobilité des Montréalais (PMM):
Alstom Transport Canada Inc.
SNC-Lavalin O&M Inc.

So, basically the operator will either be RATP Dev, Bombardier or SNC-Lavalin O&M

will STM pass holders be allowed to use it?

This hasn't been determined so far. What has been confirmed so far is that the fare technology will be compatible with the other networks and that there will be some kind of fare integration.

It's very likely that users will be able to use STM passes to ride the central part of the system, but not the parts that are off the island. That has been the assumption made in the ridership studies that have been commissioned by CDPQ Infra.

[Beedok]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The Montreal RER sounds to be the same as Toronto's Smartrack.

Isn't smart track just more frequent commuter rail?

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Beedok

Isn't smart track just more frequent commuter rail?

I don't think anyone knows what Smarttrack is at this point. Or RER (Toronto's RER).

[1overcosc]

From what I gather RER has morphed into electric trains running on at metro-like frequencies in the inner parts of the GTA (Toronto proper and the immediately surrounding parts of the 905) and improved diesel commuter rail in the rest of the GTA/GGH.

The lines are supposed to open in phases between 2020 and 2024 assuming a new government in 2018 doesn't cancel it.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The Montreal RER sounds to be the same as Toronto's Smartrack.

Think Canada Line in Vancouver (which the CDPQ participated in), but with fully enclosed stations with platform doors, twice the size of the platforms, and with train running with power coming from an overhead line. So no, it's not quite like the RER which is based on the one in Paris.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Think Canada Line in Vancouver (which the CDPQ participated in), but with fully enclosed stations with platform doors, twice the size of the platforms, and with train running with power coming from an overhead line. So no, it's not quite like the RER which is based on the one in Paris.

Umm, don't Canada Line and other Skytrain Line stations count as fully enclosed? Their level of enclosure seems pretty standard for other elevated metro systems I have rode. They have full protection from the rain. Only the ends of the platforms are exposed and the rail beds themselves.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

Umm, don't Canada Line and other Skytrain Line stations count as fully enclosed? Their level of enclosure seems pretty standard for other elevated metro systems I have rode. They have full protection from the rain. Only the ends of the platforms are exposed and the rail beds themselves.

Well like you said there is only protection from the rain... and even not when it's windy. I wouldn't count that as enclosed at all. The stations in Montréal will have AC and heating. Think of the stations in Dubaï.

[lrt's friend]

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey

Well like you said there is only protection from the rain... and even not when it's windy. I wouldn't count that as enclosed at all. The stations in Montréal will have AC and heating. Think of the stations in Dubaï.

Really? Don't the stations have to be open at both ends for the trains to run through? Or are the passenger platforms completely segregated from the trains?

[nephersir7]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Really? Don't the stations have to be open at both ends for the trains to run through? Or are the passenger platforms completely segregated from the trains?

Platform screen doors separate waiting platforms from the trains

[lrt's friend]

Thanks. Wish we would get this here in Ottawa for the Confederation Line.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

Thanks. Wish we would get this here in Ottawa for the Confederation Line.

After 10 years, I'm still upset about the technology choice in Ottawa.

[milomilo]

The new system Montreal is building looks awesome - a benchmark for the rest of Canada.

[MalcolmTucker]

Originally Posted by milomilo

The new system Montreal is building looks awesome - a benchmark for the rest of Canada.

Should be a wake up call for certain types who worry more about the system of financing infrastructure rather than the outcomes.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker

Should be a wake up call for certain types who worry more about the system of financing infrastructure rather than the outcomes.

The private investments also force the transit organizations to deal with operating costs. Too many times the higher level of governments cheapen on construction costs to just have outrageous operating costs dumped on the cities. Metrolinx is a good exemple with the hundreds of millions in unplanned operating costs given to Toronto in the last few weeks.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by nephersir7

Platform screen doors separate waiting platforms from the trains

So it will be automated I'm guessing? Or at least, the braking will be. Platform screen doors are very hard to implement on manually driven trains because humans rarely have the braking precision needed to line them up just right.

The Confederation Line will have automated braking and the trains are capable of full automation in the future but they'll have drivers initially.

[p_xavier]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

So it will be automated I'm guessing? Or at least, the braking will be. Platform screen doors are very hard to implement on manually driven trains because humans rarely have the braking precision needed to line them up just right.

The Confederation Line will have automated braking and the trains are capable of full automation in the future but they'll have drivers initially.

Full automation, no drivers, no cabs. There will be a semi-automated mode in the first year during construction.