HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #861  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 12:25 AM
mr.x's Avatar
mr.x mr.x is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by tintinium View Post
My wife usually flies JAL or Air Canada and says JAL is consistently good, AC is hit n' miss and said the one time she flew Cathay to HK the flight personnel wasn't bad but unfortunately a few of the Chinese passengers on the flight made her flight miserable and gave Chinese people a bad name. (Naturally, Cathay pacific's customers have more Chinese personnel)

Changing a baby's poopy diaper in front of you in your seat, for example.

Of course, this is a general statement and what's acceptable as polite varies between cultures, but it certainly didn't give her a GOOD impression.
We call those people mainlanders. Cantonese/Hong Kongers tend to be a bit more courteous and polite than their counterparts across the border.

When Disneyland HK opened a few years ago, it was flooded with mainlanders who peed in public (against walls and bushes), pooped in sinks and urinals, budged in lines, pushed in lines, talked loudly (even on cellphones) while watching shows, and it goes on and on.....
     
     
  #862  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 12:29 AM
Yume-sama's Avatar
Yume-sama Yume-sama is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver / Calgary / Tokyo
Posts: 7,523
You see a lot of things in mainland China. Spitting on floors of restaurants, blowing their nose on the sidewalk.

It's mortifying at first... I can't wait until some uppity rich folks experience real China for the Olympics.
     
     
  #863  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 1:08 AM
mr.x's Avatar
mr.x mr.x is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yume-sama View Post
You see a lot of things in mainland China. Spitting on floors of restaurants, blowing their nose on the sidewalk.

It's mortifying at first... I can't wait until some uppity rich folks experience real China for the Olympics.
Forget the Olympics, I'll go to China just to see these:










     
     
  #864  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 1:22 AM
deasine deasine is offline
Vancouver Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,747
LOL those pictures crack me up everytime I see them. God I don't even understand what kind of translation guys they have...

Oh wait maybe too cheap to hire them. Went straight to google?
     
     
  #865  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 1:36 AM
cc85 cc85 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Island City
Posts: 451
yea wrt templeton station, canada post, natural progression alongside fedex north of them. in terms of efficiency, it cant be beat for the lower mainland. canada post downtown is not operating on land at it's highest and best use.

hmmm fed gov owns the lands and is free to do what it wants and yet the garden city lands are fed lands and cant do what they want.
     
     
  #866  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 4:17 AM
muzhav84 muzhav84 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 110
Traffic stats are up for February and OMG, amazing numbers! This type of growth is pretty unheard of for large airports, and it is the 2nd month in a row!

Highlights:
Domestic: +14%
Transborder: + 12%
Miscellaneous (mostly Mexico and Carribean): +36%
Total Traffic: +13%

Just a quick comparison, Calgary Total Traffic: +7%

http://www.yvr.ca/pdf/authority/statistics/February_2008_Traffic_Update.pdf
     
     
  #867  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 5:01 AM
SFUVancouver's Avatar
SFUVancouver SFUVancouver is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 6,662
^ You should post that in the Canada section. Though maybe without that last part.
__________________
VANCOUVER | Beautiful, Multicultural | Canada's Pacific Metropolis
     
     
  #868  
Old Posted Apr 11, 2008, 5:43 AM
Kwik-E-Mart Kwik-E-Mart is offline
A.H.-Ha!
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Cambie Village, Van City
Posts: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.x2 View Post
We call those people mainlanders. Cantonese/Hong Kongers tend to be a bit more courteous and polite than their counterparts across the border.

When Disneyland HK opened a few years ago, it was flooded with mainlanders who peed in public (against walls and bushes), pooped in sinks and urinals, budged in lines, pushed in lines, talked loudly (even on cellphones) while watching shows, and it goes on and on.....
...and hence even though people from HK associate themselves as Chinese, but, like Taiwanese, they want to keep a safe distance from the Mainlanders. Some of my Mainlander friends are nice and courteous, but sigh there are still throngs of them that need serious re-education on how to act politely (the scene outside of Lafayette in Paris was an eye-opener for me when I was there in `05).

Enough with my rant. Low-rise office buildings adjacent to the airport at Templeton station is nonetheless much better than low-rise office buildings located in some suburban park in Surrey...
     
     
  #869  
Old Posted Apr 15, 2008, 4:38 AM
SpongeG's Avatar
SpongeG SpongeG is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Coquitlam
Posts: 40,009
Cathay celebrates milestone

The date for the party had long been set. But last Friday, when Tony Tyler, chief executive of Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific Airways, arrived to celebrate 25 years of service to Vancouver, there couldn't have been a more poetic backdrop for the company's festivities.

Cathay's upstart rival, Oasis Hong Kong Airways, had shut down abruptly just a few days earlier.

Consumers were fuming and travel agents were shaking their heads. Estimates are that the Oasis failure has left some 60,000 bookings on the hook. Even the Vancouver Board of Trade had to deal with some 35 seats it had booked with Oasis for a conference in May.

And so, at the behest of the Hong Kong government, Cathay stepped up with a special deal for passengers stranded by Oasis.

"So far, we have rescued 2,000 passengers out of Hong Kong," said Tyler in an interview, adding that that included service to London, Oasis' other destination.

Tyler said: "To be honest, [Oasis] has never been a big thorn in our side. We never expected it to last. We know the business quite well. Their business plan didn't make sense, though I think high fuel prices accelerated their demise."

That may be the case, but for the brief 10 months that Oasis flew to Vancouver, it did ignite buzz about travel to Hong Kong, with people who had never been there before packing their bags and others heading back and forth just to shop and eat.

Tyler disputes claims by airports in Hong Kong and Vancouver that Oasis boosted traffic on the route to between 30 and 50 per cent, but admits that "if you price well below cost, you are going to price some people into the market."

Now, as jet fuel costs have skyrocketed and credit markets have shrunk, a handful of airlines have bitten the dust in the past few weeks and more are likely to follow.

Tyler, however, thinks that the low-cost model has particular challenges in Asia.

"Getting traffic rights to fly between third countries is difficult in Asia. The distances in Asia are a lot longer, so it's hard to get high utilization . . . . There are not a lot of cheap airports in Asia as there are in the U.S. or Europe. But the main reason is that carriers in Asia are already serving low-fare markets by selling the back-end of their wide-body, twin aisle jets. For $130, you can fly Cathay to anywhere in Asia; it's for a limited period, and it's not every seat, but those fares are out there, so it's hard for others to sustainably undercut you and grow fast doing so."

That being the case, "I believe it wouldn't be in Cathay Pacific's interest to start another so-called low-cost carrier in parallel with itself," said Tyler.

Talk then turns away from other airlines and models and their problems.

After all, it is Cathay's party and it's hard not to gloat. In 2007, the airline saw both record profits of $976 million and record numbers of passengers, at 17.8 million.

On Vancouver, Tyler said: "We started 25 years ago with two flights a week and now we have three flights a day. That's quite something."

Tyler himself was dispatched from Hong Kong in 1983 to start up the Vancouver operation, Cathay's first in North America. He remembers living for a year- and-a-half in a Vancouver bungalow on Minto Crescent off Granville Street (which he saw, on a quick drive from the airport on his way downtown, is still there).

"In 1983, I remember being picked up at the airport, driving into town and looking around and thinking, 'Where is everybody?' My God, how are we going to fill our flights to Hong Kong? There's nobody here.

"Vancouver was a sleepy little place then and it was in the grips of one of the worse recessions. The B.C. economy was in a terrible state. But, on the day, all these Chinese people emerged and descended on Vancouver airport and I thought, 'We are going to be all right.' "

In 1997, the airline established a cabin crew base here that today employs 205 people. By comparison, similar offices were not established in Toronto, San Francisco and Los Angeles until 2006-07.

"I have watched Vancouver over a 25-year period," said Tyler, who makes almost an annual trip to Whistler. "I have seen it growing and developing and the traffic building up."

In talking about Cathay's years in Vancouver and how they have mirrored the city's relationship with Hong Kong, Tyler said: "Lots of Hong Kong people have come to live here. Most have gone back. And now, we have Hong Kong and little Hong Kong in Vancouver and there is an enormous amount of traffic between the two. Kids have come here for school, university. Some have family here, there. Businesses have been set up, developed and grown . . . and perhaps not everyman on the street, but the business elite of Hong Kong do see Vancouver as part of their patch."

Tyler is aware that the next wave of migration to Vancouver is definitely a lot more focused on traffic to and from mainland China, but believes that "we will be part of that story too."

"We make our living out of connecting people over Hong Kong. Even though there will be more direct services, we will still capture a share of that traffic."

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/business/story.html?id=5e734e7d-08d7-4eaf-9668-17d22bb1ef45
__________________
belowitall
     
     
  #870  
Old Posted Apr 15, 2008, 9:12 PM
twoNeurons twoNeurons is offline
loafing in lotusland
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Lotusland
Posts: 6,110
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kwik-E-Mart View Post
...and hence even though people from HK associate themselves as Chinese, but, like Taiwanese, they want to keep a safe distance from the Mainlanders. Some of my Mainlander friends are nice and courteous, but sigh there are still throngs of them that need serious re-education on how to act politely (the scene outside of Lafayette in Paris was an eye-opener for me when I was there in `05).

Enough with my rant. Low-rise office buildings adjacent to the airport at Templeton station is nonetheless much better than low-rise office buildings located in some suburban park in Surrey...
Probably the years of British Rule had something to do with it. I think it's partly a matter of having different cultural values, as well. I remember I was with a few friends, one of them here from Japan for a few years, and one of my Canadian friends spit his gum out (onto the grass or something). That's something that I think most Canadians probably wouldn't really worry too much about, but my Japanese friend was shocked... and said he couldn't imagine someone not throwing their gum out in a garbage bin.

Or even US/Canada values. I don't know about you guys, but I was ALWAYS told to take my shoes off in the house and it seems most of my Canadian friends were as well. But I consistently see both on American shows and in American homes where people leave their shoes ON!!!

But I'm actually surprised at the HK Disney stuff. I remember hearing about some of that stuff on Japanese News (and figured it was mostly mainlanders) and figured there was at least some exaggeration, knowing the relationship between Tokyo and Beijing. Didn't hear about the pooping and peeing in the sinks though... THAT's disgusting.

Anyway, back on topic... Anyone else here wonder how long it will be before the "future" airport Station will be constructed?
     
     
  #871  
Old Posted Apr 17, 2008, 2:25 AM
deasine deasine is offline
Vancouver Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 5,747
Most likely when YVR decides to build the expansion of the airport.

Anyway I just noticed that YVR purchased new shuttle buses [I'm guessing they are from New Flyer]


New YVR Shuttle Bus ~ Picture by Me ~ Photo compressed with Facebook ~ 04/16/2008

Quote:

This work (above) is licensed under a Creative Commons Licence.
     
     
  #872  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 6:00 AM
Yume-sama's Avatar
Yume-sama Yume-sama is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Vancouver / Calgary / Tokyo
Posts: 7,523
A little off topic, but does anybody know if Air Canada offers their new "Executive First Cabin" on flights from YVR to Narita? Looks like this:
     
     
  #873  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 7:51 AM
eduardo88 eduardo88 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Berlin + Madrid
Posts: 1,024
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yume-sama View Post
A little off topic, but does anybody know if Air Canada offers their new "Executive First Cabin" on flights from YVR to Narita?
Thats executive first class?!?! what a piece crap...especially for such a long flight...
     
     
  #874  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 8:42 AM
mr.x's Avatar
mr.x mr.x is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by eduardo88 View Post
Thats executive first class?!?! what a piece crap...especially for such a long flight...
Supposedly, Air Canada is suppose to be the best airline in North America.....says a lot about the airlines in the states.
     
     
  #875  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 8:51 AM
excel excel is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Calgary
Posts: 3,484
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yume-sama
A little off topic, but does anybody know if Air Canada offers their new "Executive First Cabin" on flights from YVR to Narita?

Yea that is the interior on the 777-300ER which runs to tokyo.
     
     
  #876  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 8:56 AM
mr.x's Avatar
mr.x mr.x is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,805
Tip for getting a FREE business class seat: book a long-trip economy ticket (i.e. to Japan, Hong Kong, London) on the day before Christmas, Christmas or New Years Eve. Arrive at the airport like 4 hours early, be the first to check-in, and the odds are the flight is overbooked and they will offer you a deal to buy your ticket. They'll give you a few hundred dollars AND upgrade you for free to a business class seat either on the same flight or another flight in the next day with all your hotel (at your destination) and transportation costs covered by the airline.

That's right....I spent Christmas on a business class seat!
     
     
  #877  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 9:27 AM
eduardo88 eduardo88 is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Berlin + Madrid
Posts: 1,024
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.x2 View Post
Tip for getting a FREE business class seat: book a long-trip economy ticket (i.e. to Japan, Hong Kong, London) on the day before Christmas, Christmas or New Years Eve. Arrive at the airport like 4 hours early, be the first to check-in, and the odds are the flight is overbooked and they will offer you a deal to buy your ticket. They'll give you a few hundred dollars AND upgrade you for free to a business class seat either on the same flight or another flight in the next day with all your hotel (at your destination) and transportation costs covered by the airline.

That's right....I spent Christmas on a business class seat!
Haha, good idea, but i'd much rather pay for the ticket and not spend christmas or new years eve at a crowded airport!
     
     
  #878  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 9:59 AM
mr.x's Avatar
mr.x mr.x is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 12,805
Quote:
Originally Posted by eduardo88 View Post
Haha, good idea, but i'd much rather pay for the ticket and not spend christmas or new years eve at a crowded airport!
well, it was actually a 2 am flight (yup, i spent Christmas night at YVR) and it was surprisingly not as busy as i thought it would be.....it actually wasn't busy at all.

And considering that I've saved thousands and thousands of dollars, it's all worth it!
     
     
  #879  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 1:49 PM
Nutterbug Nutterbug is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,067
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.x2 View Post
well, it was actually a 2 am flight (yup, i spent Christmas night at YVR) and it was surprisingly not as busy as i thought it would be.....it actually wasn't busy at all.

And considering that I've saved thousands and thousands of dollars, it's all worth it!
Chances are, the fares are ridiculously jacked up if you purchase them for these peak times especially at the last minute anyways.
     
     
  #880  
Old Posted Apr 21, 2008, 1:53 PM
Nutterbug Nutterbug is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 5,067
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr.x2 View Post
Supposedly, Air Canada is suppose to be the best airline in North America.....says a lot about the airlines in the states.
At least you get what you pay for.

From doing an Expedia search for June 1:

Seattle-Buffalo flights start at $365.
Vancouver-Toronto flights start at $710.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Alberta & British Columbia > Vancouver > Transportation & Infrastructure
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 1:22 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.