BC Political Discussion: Election 2024 & 43rd Parliament - Page 44

Migrant_Coconut · #**861** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 6:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I've been out of the loop on this since it launched, but I don't recall the federal exemption making drug consumption decriminalized.

Also, anybody who thinks Horgan or Eby was responsible for catch-and-release can be safely ignored (that was JT in 2019 based on a Supreme Court ruling in 2017).

Burquitlaman · #**862** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 6:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Right but what I'm getting at is all I've read (and what you wrote) is regarding possession, not consumption.

They weren't possessing it for spiritual worship. It was for consumption. possession and consumption.

Trafficking was and is illegal, hence the 2.5 gram limit.

Burquitlaman · #**863** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Also, anybody who thinks Horgan or Eby was responsible for catch-and-release can be safely ignored (that was JT in 2019 based on a Supreme Court ruling in 2017).

What's the case citation? I need to send it to my Rustad loving brother.

Migrant_Coconut · #**864** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 6:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by Burquitlaman

What's the case citation? I need to send it to my Rustad loving brother.

R. v. Jordan AFAIK. Ending the possibility of a 49-month trial is well intentioned, just very poorly executed... as with many Canadian things.

GenWhy? · #**865** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Burquitlaman

They weren't possessing it for spiritual worship. It was for consumption. possession and consumption.

Trafficking was and is illegal, hence the 2.5 gram limit.

Right but I understand the law does not say "consumption is permitted". I have not seen where the Fed / Provincial change allows decriminalized consumption.

whatnext · #**866** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 7:02 PM**

I had to laugh at this quote from the turncoat strategist from BC United who threw his support to the NDP:

..."We have a very deeply wounded and divided province," said Kareem Allam, who was Kevin Falcon's leadership campaign manager with the B.C. United party but cast his lot with the NDP after B.C. United suspended its campaign amid a Conservative surge.

"Long gone are the days of coalition building."..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-election-2024-analysis-division-1.7357488

BC politics have always been polarized. From the decades Social Credit ruled till now. It has always been the party of the Right facing off against the NDP. I don't where this guy was for all those years that he thought there was ever any "coalition building".

mezzanine · #**867** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I had to laugh at this quote from the turncoat strategist from BC United who threw his support to the NDP:

..."We have a very deeply wounded and divided province," said Kareem Allam, who was Kevin Falcon's leadership campaign manager with the B.C. United party but cast his lot with the NDP after B.C. United suspended its campaign amid a Conservative surge.

"Long gone are the days of coalition building."..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-election-2024-analysis-division-1.7357488

BC politics have always been polarized. From the decades Social Credit ruled till now. It has always been the party of the Right facing off against the NDP. I don't where this guy was for all those years that he thought there was ever any "coalition building".

you must have arrived in BC after Bill Bennett's socreds, or not know BC history that good

GenWhy? · #**868** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I had to laugh at this quote from the turncoat strategist from BC United who threw his support to the NDP:

Looks like the party(s) turned on him.

whatnext · #**869** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by mezzanine

you must have arrived in BC after Bill Bennett's socreds, or not know BC history that good

I must have arrived after Bennet Jr (not), or he did?

Spr0ckets · #**870** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

I had to laugh at this quote from the turncoat strategist from BC United who threw his support to the NDP:

..."We have a very deeply wounded and divided province," said Kareem Allam, who was Kevin Falcon's leadership campaign manager with the B.C. United party but cast his lot with the NDP after B.C. United suspended its campaign amid a Conservative surge.

"Long gone are the days of coalition building."..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/b-c-election-2024-analysis-division-1.7357488

BC politics have always been polarized. From the decades Social Credit ruled till now. It has always been the party of the Right facing off against the NDP. I don't where this guy was for all those years that he thought there was ever any "coalition building".

Is he a "turncoat" because he threw his support behind NDP instead of 'lemming-ing' it behind his 'leader' to the Cons?

I thought it was his party and party leadership that threw him and other BCU'ers under the bus when they decided to fold their campaign and support the guy they threw out of their own party not that long ago.

Burquitlaman · #**871** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Right but I understand the law does not say "consumption is permitted". I have not seen where the Fed / Provincial change allows decriminalized consumption.

The law also doesn't say fornication with a prostitute or getting head from a prostitute is illegal. It uses language like "obtaining the sexual services of a prostitute". I'm not sure what you're getting at. Criminal laws related to possession and consumption of < 2.5 grams of hard drugs were essentially paused in British Columbia. In essence, consumption was permitted.

If there is no law on "obtaining the sexual services of a prostitute", you are decriminalizing the act, even without a "positive" law saying "you can go and purchase sex".

The criminal code is not a religious text. It will not be giving you guidance on positive actions. It talks about prohibited conduct. I'm not sure what you mean when you say law does not say "consumption is permitted". Laws are by their nature restrictive.

Burquitlaman · #**872** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 8:42 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

R. v. Jordan AFAIK. Ending the possibility of a 49-month trial is well intentioned, just very poorly executed... as with many Canadian things.

Oof. I remember this case from law school. I'll have to read it again. Don't remember anything.

GenWhy? · #**873** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 9:02 PM**

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Originally Posted by Burquitlaman

The law also doesn't say fornication with a prostitute or getting head from a prostitute is illegal. It uses language like "obtaining the sexual services of a prostitute". I'm not sure what you're getting at. Criminal laws related to possession and consumption of < 2.5 grams of hard drugs were essentially paused in British Columbia. In essence, consumption was permitted.

If there is no law on "obtaining the sexual services of a prostitute", you are decriminalizing the act, even without a "positive" law saying "you can go and purchase sex".

The criminal code is not a religious text. It will not be giving you guidance on positive actions. It talks about prohibited conduct. I'm not sure what you mean when you say law does not say "consumption is permitted". Laws are by their nature restrictive.

Again, I have not seen language from the feds or province that consumption is now legal and no longer punishable by local law enforcement, or the RCMP.

WarrenC12 · #**874** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 9:14 PM**

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Originally Posted by Spr0ckets

I thought it was his party and party leadership that threw him and other BCU'ers under the bus when they decided to fold their campaign and support the guy they threw out of their own party not that long ago.

That's a bingo. I'd feel pretty betrayed if I was a BC Lib/BCU supporter. Imagine donating to them!

The Cons are made up of people the BC Libs kicked out of their caucus FFS.

GenWhy? · #**875** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 9:15 PM**

Could / should / did the Province / Feds have written a similar law around consumption of illegal substances akin to controlled substances? I don't know.

Migrant_Coconut · #**876** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 9:30 PM**

Falcon gave Rustad the boot himself - folding and joining him proved he's either spineless or really bad at politics (or both).

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Again, I have not seen language from the feds or province that consumption is now legal and no longer punishable by local law enforcement, or the RCMP.

So you can have the drugs, but not use them? I'm confused.

BaddieB · #**877** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 9:31 PM**

The left has a problem where they treat court rulings like gospel. Even if there's nothing they can do about it, because of the courts, they can still grandstand and rail against it. I'd rather have that tbh.

chowhou · #**878** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 10:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by BaddieB

The left has a problem where they treat court rulings like gospel. Even if there's nothing they can do about it, because of the courts, they can still grandstand and rail against it. I'd rather have that tbh.

It feels to me like Canada has this weird political system right now where laws are legislated by the judicial system, and then implemented by the legislature. In my extremely humble opinion, Beverly McLachlin did a lot of damage to our system with regards to that. The chief justice for R v Jordan was McLachlin of course.

And then she sat on the CCP-friendly Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal lending it false legitimacy.

whatnext · #**879** Posted **Oct 22, 2024, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by chowhou

It feels to me like Canada has this weird political system right now where laws are legislated by the judicial system, and then implemented by the legislature. In my extremely humble opinion, Beverly McLachlin did a lot of damage to our system with regards to that. The chief justice for R v Jordan was McLachlin of course.

And then she sat on the CCP-friendly Hong Kong Court of Final Appeal lending it false legitimacy.

Has she finally developed some scruples and left the HK court?

Changing City · #**880** Posted **Oct 23, 2024, 12:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Again, I have not seen language from the feds or province that consumption is now legal and no longer punishable by local law enforcement, or the RCMP.

This BC Government webpage might help.

It explains what is exempted, and what isn't, and the circumstances that might lead to police enforcement.

Here's the initial paragraphs:

Health Canada granted the province of B.C. a three-year exemption under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act to decriminalize people who use drugs, which came into effect January 31, 2023.

Under the exemption, possessing small amounts of certain illicit drugs for personal use in specific locations is allowed.

In these locations, adults 18 and older will not be arrested, charged or have drugs seized for possessing small amounts of certain illicit drugs for personal use. Instead, people will be offered health information and referred to treatment and supports if requested.

Locations:

Private residences
Places unhoused individuals are legally sheltering (indoor and outdoor locations)
Overdose prevention, drug checking and supervised consumption sites
Places that provide out-patient addiction services like rapid access addiction clinics
Illicit drugs covered under the exemption (up to 2.5 grams combined):

Opioids (such as heroin, morphine and fentanyl)
Crack and powder cocaine 
Methamphetamine (meth)
MDMA (ecstasy)