Broadway Corridor Development Plan

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

Please select a non-pandemic year at Streetview to see what's really there, will ya? Better still, fly out and experience it for yourself. Orchard Road is one of the greatest examples of urbanism IMO: just different from those other European or Asian greats.

The right way to do something of that scale is Champs Élysées, otherwise that plain looking architecture at that scale overwhelms the pedestrian realm is a very negative way. Commercial Drive or Main Street work better than the Orchard Road example.

[GenWhy?]

I dunno... Orchard looks terrible IMO

[Migrant_Coconut]

To each their own. Getting back to the original point, Broadway's hardly in danger of having too much sidewalk - in fact, it's possibly the opposite.

[Feathered Friend]

For those curious, in the end 202 people registered to speak on the Broadway Plan before the list closed this morning.

That said, council didn't finish their introductory questions until around 2pm, and have gone on a dinner break after hearing from speaker 27. Suffice to say, this is going to take a few days.

[ecbin]

Originally Posted by Feathered Friend

For those curious, in the end 202 people registered to speak on the Broadway Plan before the list closed this morning.

That said, council didn't finish their introductory questions until around 2pm, and have gone on a dinner break after hearing from speaker 27. Suffice to say, this is going to take a few days.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jean-swanson-vancouver-jobs

The highlight so far is Jean Swanson saying she wants less jobs in the city.

[Feathered Friend]

What caught my ear was when Councillor Wiebe raised whether this conflicts with the Mount Pleasant Plan, as pulling that area out of the Broadway Plan would be a pretty big blow.

Either way, they only got to Speaker 67 tonight, and won't resume until Wednesday next week, when they'll reconvene for literally a couple hours, and then meet again the next day. It might be a couple weeks until we have answer on what the Broadway Plan will ultimately look like.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by ecbin

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/jean-swanson-vancouver-jobs

The highlight so far is Jean Swanson saying she wants less jobs in the city.

At the heart of what she's saying, she isn't wrong. Vertical suburbanization is a major region issue - especially for congestion.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Sure, but that's not a reason to suburbanize Broadway - we should add jobs in the core and in the 'burbs.

[WarrenC12]

She wants people to live close to their jobs. That's great, but the jobs are already around Broadway. We need more homes.

[hollywoodnorth]

Wrong way for Broadway
Broadway Plan revisions jeopardize 30,000+ future rental units

https://goodmanreport.com/market-insights/wrong-way-for-broadway/

[Migrant_Coconut]

If special interest groups on both sides are upset, there's a good chance City Hall is doing something right. Developers have made a 14-floor MIRHPP on Alma work just fine.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If special interest groups on both sides are upset, there's a good chance City Hall is doing something right. Developers have made a 14-floor MIRHPP on Alma work just fine.

What I would love to see is the plan implemented, as is, as soon as possible. We can quibble about the details, but 20 stories is still plenty high.

In addition, I would love for the entire city to allow for multi-family dwellings up to 6 stories without any requirements for parking or public consultation. That will promptly take care of the lost units from Broadway.

[GenWhy?]

Most towers will be lucky to hit 17-storeys

[logan5]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

What I would love to see is the plan implemented, as is, as soon as possible. We can quibble about the details, but 20 stories is still plenty high.

In addition, I would love for the entire city to allow for multi-family dwellings up to 6 stories without any requirements for parking or public consultation. That will promptly take care of the lost units from Broadway.

And it looks like the rental zones along arterials are going to take hold. There is potential for 150 000 units on those zones.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by logan5

And it looks like the rental zones along arterials are going to take hold. There is potential for 150 000 units on those zones.

Where's that number from? It seems way too high. What's expected (according to the 2021 Council Report) is that "Overall, it is estimated the changes could deliver approximately 4,000 new market and below-market rental units over the next 10 years through the proposed streamlined approach". (Maybe more if there's financial support for non-profit developers from Provincial or Federal; funds, but that seems unlikely).

[Migrant_Coconut]

Yeah, the target is 30k for the whole corridor, like with Cambie. No idea where 150k comes from.

[logan5]

I guess I should of posted a link for the definition of potential.

And it's not just one corridor, it's many. The potential for a full buildout of the eligible corridors, along with side streets one block off the arterial, is in my estimation 150 000 units.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by logan5

I guess I should of posted a link for the definition of potential.

And it's not just one corridor, it's many. The potential for a full buildout of the eligible corridors, along with side streets one block off the arterial, is in my estimation 150 000 units.

That still seems a bit high, but it hardly matters. Full buildout is a red herring - Councillor Hardwick and her friends have been hammering the 'existing zoned capacity' to justify opposing the Broadway Plan. For example, there could be 84,000 more rental laneway homes in the City if every lot that allows one had it built. And another 40,000+ basement suites. It's never going to happen though.

The estimate is that there will be about 2,000 more units in 6-storey C-2 type rental buildings, and another 2,000 in the RS/RT zoned corridors where rental buildings can now be considered. Maybe there will be more, but the rush of initial projects doesn't mean that estimate is too low. Developers have been waiting a couple of years to be able to submit schemes, but after this it's likely to slow to a much more 'normal' rate of development.

[Changing City]

City Council might finally make a decision on the Broadway Plan soon. They should at least get to the end of the speakers - so far they've heard up to speaker 162 of the 202 registered. There may, of course, be more.

[Changing City]

Council worked their way through a series of amendments (and amendments to amendments) to the Broadway Plan and just wound up the meeting for tonight. The Mayor tried to extend the meeting past 10.00. Hardwick said no. So it looks like they take it up again at the meeting on June 22.