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Old Posted Jun 6, 2025, 9:10 PM
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Looks like they're on the 8th floor right now. So one more to go.
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Old Posted Jun 7, 2025, 12:21 AM
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^ let’s get that 16 storey one going!
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^ let’s get that 16 storey one going!
When does your design start?
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https://clkapps.winnipeg.ca/dmis/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=26972&SectionId=&InitUrl=

Looks like there is an appeal hearing for phase 2 coming up. The buildings required a bunch of variances and staff approved all except for the height variance for the 16 story building (proposed at 168 feet vs. 100 foot zoning maximum).

I can see why City staff were reluctant to approve such a major variance and opted to go for political direction on this. Hopefully the appeal committee approves it as proposed given the number of affordable units this would bring on stream. It's a comparable height to Union Tower a block over on Main Street so it really wouldn't look that dramatically out of place.

Anyway, there are some good massing renderings in the report that give a sense of what the development would look like. It looks great!
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2025, 7:22 PM
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^ hopefully....its stupid that part of downtown has a height restriction....its not in the national historic site, not a mid-block, nowhere near any heritage buildings.....and its on the border of one of the most distressed neighbourhoods in the city....they should be dying for major investment.

Union bank is directly across the street and 12 feet lower, built 121 years ago....the Chinese affordable housing one block north is 150+ feet tall.

would lose 70 units....likely the entire tower.
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Would registering in support of the project with the city be useful to help save the tower?
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I would also support this project!
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Old Posted Jul 8, 2025, 9:10 PM
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City Clerk, City of Winnipeg
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Development, Heritage and Downtown Development

Appeal – Variance – King Street File DAV 118740A/2025B

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Old Posted Jul 8, 2025, 9:14 PM
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the argument they use against it is that the variance could set a precedent for new buildings within the national historic site. This is despite the fact that the property is outside of the historic site boundaries.

I would be opposed to it as well if it was within the national historic site, but no developer could reasonably use a building outside the district as a precedent for within the district.

It's stupid that part of downtown is even in the character zone....its a hodge podge of buildings in various stages of decay.
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Seven years too late. Isnt the concept form Dtah and The Hearth more aesthetically pleasing than the current design?


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http://centreventure.com/market-lands

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Conceptual plans in Winnipeg's Exchange District to replace the now vacant public safety building and civic parkade.

Site today:




















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The Finalists
DESIGN COMPETITION PROPOSALS: http://www.centreventure.com/market-lands-design-competition

1. 1x1 Architecture Inc.
Concept Statement: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...757iG9Vc4H/1x1%20Concept%20Statement.pdf
Design board: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-26532000/documents/5c06e9f66f7a8sbxj1nt/1X1.pdf







2. Dialog
Concept Statement: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...2xxQy7S/Dialog%20Concept%20Statement.pdf
Design board: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers/user-26532000/documents/5c06e8007bc28wAx7IqB/Dialog.pdf












3. Daoust Lestage
Concept Statement: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...oust%20Lestage%20Concept%20Statement.pdf
Design board: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...c06e7c966956r6v2hRK/Daoust%20Lestage.pdf






4. Dtah
Concept Statement: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...9dw6V8zLC/DTAH%20Concept%20Statement.pdf
Design board:https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...H_DesignSubmission_Boards-compressed.pdf








5. Saucier and Perrotte
Concept Statement: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...ier%20Perrotte%20Concept%20Statement.pdf
Design board: https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...6e740366a9RQqoGhj/Saucier%20Perrotte.pdf










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https://www.dropbox.com/s/h1x2kaqmd668yfc/Daoust%20Lestage%20.pdf?dl=0







https://storage.googleapis.com/wzukusers...gAt/Jury%20Report%20Dec%2021%20FINAL.pdf
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God damn I thought I would never have to look at the old PSB again in my life, my eyes hurt
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Proposed 16-storey Market Lands tower out of step with Exchange area: city planners
By: Joyanne Pursaga
Posted: Tuesday, Jul. 8, 2025

An affordable downtown housing project proposes a much taller building than allowed by city standards, while its developer warns a shorter structure would mean dozens of new homes wouldn’t be built.

City planners recommend councillors reject the request to build a 16-storey, 168-foot (48.17-metre) tower, as part of the second phase of the Market Lands project, a decision the developer has appealed.

The standard height limit for the area is 100 feet (30.49 metres).



In a report, a senior city planner says allowing the extra height would create a precedent that would affect future development applications.

“(That) would mean pressure to support variances on buildings within the Historic Exchange District where the 100-foot height limit is very important to maintaining the historic character of the area,” writes Kurtis Kowalke, a senior city planner.

The project’s developer argues allowing a taller building at the James Avenue site is key to ensuring the project is financially viable and delivers all of the homes it’s slated to create.

“The effect of not getting that height variance is that we (would) have to cut 60 units of… housing out of the development. We would lose 24 affordable and 36 market rental units,” said Jeremy Read, chief executive officer of the University of Winnipeg Community Renewal Corp. 2.0.

Read said that would decrease the larger tower’s total housing units to 88 from the proposed 148 units.

The proposed plan calls for two key buildings, including: the 16-storey tower with 148 residential units, amenity and commercial space; and a building that varies from four- to six-storeys with 126 residential units, amenity space, a daycare, offices and a rooftop green space.

Read said reducing the height of the taller building and adding storeys to the shorter structure isn’t viable.

“If you go up to (even) eight storeys all around, there’s shadow impacts from the inner courtyard… that means you’re not going to have living plants,” he said.

Raising the second building to seven or more storeys would also boost the cost, since the building code would require additional structural, lightning protection and fire suppression work, said Read.

He stressed the affordable homes are greatly needed. The two buildings, which have an estimated combined cost of $145 million, were granted nearly $6.8 million in federal housing accelerator funding.

“We think this will be a transformational project… We think it does fit within the character (of that area). It meets a number of the City of Winnipeg’s objectives for increasing residential density in the downtown,” said Read.

He noted a few nearby buildings reach heights close to the one proposed, including the Union Bank Tower and Confederation Building.

The affordable units are expected to cost no more than 59 per cent of the area’s median market rate, though Read said provincial support will be sought to further reduce rents.

A heritage advocate said the project would be detrimental to surrounding buildings.



“It absolutely erodes the historic character of the neighbourhood. How would councillors then justify (the standard height limit) to other developers that come forward? I know they want density, but not at (the) cost of our historic gem,” said Cindy Tugwell, executive director of Heritage Winnipeg.

Tugwell said the property is outside of the Exchange District’s protected national historic site but would greatly affect it.

“Certainly, we want the density… but it is so close to all the other historic buildings in the district that it really has a visual impact on design and massing,” she said.

Council’s property and development committee is expected to cast a final vote on the appeal on July 14.

The head of the committee said he’ll keep an open mind.

“If we’re potentially introducing more affordable (housing)… that needs to be a major consideration when we’re either approving or rejecting these variances. My mind is not made up at this point,” said Coun. Evan Duncan (Charleswood-Tuxedo-Westwood).

The councillor suggested buildings have increased in height over time, so the city shouldn’t immediately rule out larger ones.

“When downtown Winnipeg was first developed, it was one to three storeys, and now we have 40-storey skyscrapers (near) Portage and Main. So, we have to evolve with the times,” he said.

The city’s property and development director already approved several other variances for the two proposed Market Lands buildings, including reduced yard sizes, loading zones and parking stalls.
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It makes no sense that a building not in the historic site would be a precedent for buildings in the historic site. Where is the limit? The Richardson Building? If they don’t want taller building in the historic site don’t approve taller buildings in the historic site.
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The appeals committee is not going to deny the height variance for a project that has been awarded HAF funding, the deadline to retain the HAF funding is September 2025, all round one awarded developments must have building permits issued by then (although the tower was awarded in round 2, the 4-6 mixed used was awarded in round one). Delaying a shovel ready development could incur so many unnecessary costs.
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I’d like to ask Tugwell what other historic buildings it is close to. The closest one is only 12 feet shorter and built 121 years ago.

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didnt this project win a rfp proposal this is beyond stupid
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I’d like to ask Tugwell what other historic buildings it is close to. The closest one is only 12 feet shorter.
She was in full support of the Maw's Garage and the Sanford Building proposal at 291 Bannatyne Avenue.
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Plunked on top of actual historic buildings, pretending to be historic buildings.
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Is Heritage Winnipeg accountable to anyone?
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Is Heritage Winnipeg accountable to anyone?
As a charitable organization Heritage Winnipeg would be accountable to their board of directors.
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