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[TimeFadesAway]

Originally Posted by drew

I am a little baffled that they are going the LEED route. Private developers, especially in Winnipeg, have better things to spend their money on. Especially now that the Energy Code is in effect.

Maybe that's a way of getting some additional government support. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Federal money start to appear, supporting 'green' projects.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by TimeFadesAway

Maybe that's a way of getting some additional government support. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Federal money start to appear, supporting 'green' projects.

Trudeau's election promise. Green infrastructure.

[drew]

Originally Posted by TimeFadesAway

Maybe that's a way of getting some additional government support. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Federal money start to appear, supporting 'green' projects.

Could be. Basically LEED is currently only gone after on government funded projects. But really, it's just a lot of money for a plaque at the front entrance of a building.

LEED is so 2010. No one cares anymore.

[cutchemist42]

So honest question, but where do the office tenants come for this place? Is this to meet pent-up demand or is it a play to just get tenants from elsewhere? I dont really have a grasp on the office situation in Wpg.

[bomberjet]

Originally Posted by cutchemist42

So honest question, but where do the office tenants come for this place? Is this to meet pent-up demand or is it a play to just get tenants from elsewhere? I dont really have a grasp on the office situation in Wpg.

They're relocating from elsewhere. There is not pent up demand.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by Urban recluse

Perhaps Drew could tell us how all the glass is possible based on the renderings?

The new energy code is not a design restriction, it is a money restriction. If you have money you can build with all the glass you want.

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Biff

The new energy code is not a design restriction, it is a money restriction. If you have money you can build with all the glass you want.

In reality that isn't true.....no commercial rate developer could ever spend the money to have full glass curtain walls as they show in these renderings....

A building like Hydro might be able to work some trade offs to achieve what they did today, but it cost 3 times what a normal office building does...nobody relying on rent to pay for it could ever come close to that.

[cheswick]

Originally Posted by trueviking

In reality that isn't true.....no commercial rate developer could ever spend the money to have full glass curtain walls as they show in these renderings....

A building like Hydro might be able to work some trade offs to achieve what they did today, but it cost 3 times what a normal office building does...nobody relying on rent to pay for it could ever come close to that.

In the presser if I heard right when reading off the specs he said floor to ceiling glass ... in the lobby.

[Biff]

Originally Posted by trueviking

In reality that isn't true.....no commercial rate developer could ever spend the money to have full glass curtain walls as they show in these renderings....

A building like Hydro might be able to work some trade offs to achieve what they did today, but it cost 3 times what a normal office building does...nobody relying on rent to pay for it could ever come close to that.

The people I spoke with this morning seemed to imply this was how it was going to look. Not sure what kind of magic they are proposing then.

[drew]

Originally Posted by Biff

The people I spoke with this morning seemed to imply this was how it was going to look. Not sure what kind of magic they are proposing then.

local architects? or from out-of-province?

I mean I hope they would be up to speed on the realities of the new energy code either way, but I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't.

Maybe they looked at Glasshouse and got confused...

[trueviking]

Originally Posted by Biff

The people I spoke with this morning seemed to imply this was how it was going to look. Not sure what kind of magic they are proposing then.

Yeah. I've looked into it. It's true. They have some fancy energy systems. This is not a cheap building. Pretty amazing it could be supported by market rates. My guess is much of that glass is spandrel, but it's still amazing. I didn't think that would happen. Good news.

Is ray wan the architect of the hotel?

[bomberjet]

This is phenomenal. Lowest tower is 17 stories.

[Urban recluse]

We can hope that other Winnipeg business leaders and developers start planning for something similar in say about 5 years. Let this inspire others.

[Cyro]

Todays construction Update Photo Feb.23



http://www.truenorthsquare.com/devel...ructionupdate/

I'll update the thread, once I have a moment to get a handle on all the info they've released.

Photos, etc...

This is going to be an amazing development..

[Cyro]

Originally Posted by Cyro

Todays construction Update Photo Feb.23



http://www.truenorthsquare.com/devel...ructionupdate/

Originally Posted by Cyro

Some current building specs..

Number Of Floors: 17 (Podium levels 1-3)
Total Rentable (Tower): 296,776 sf
Total Rentable (Podium): 66,100 sf
Lobby Ceiling Height: 25'
Office Ceiling Height: 9’-6” typical clear ceiling height
Stairs designed to exceed code requirements
17th Floor Sky Garden

Con't more detail:
http://www.truenorthsquare.com/wp-co...ifications.pdf

Previous update on site prep..

Now we know whats coming up first, when and why...

[esquire]

Holy moly this is impressive. I honestly expected it to be scaled back from the initial rendering but apart from the reduction in swoopy curves, I'd say this iteration is bigger and better than the initial. Winnipeg hasn't seen anything like this since Winnipeg Square was unveiled by Trizec... although I guess that project didn't come anywhere close to being fully built.

Total afterthought but I like the fact there will be a nice direct skywalk connection from RBCCC to P&M without navigating the rat's maze of Cityplace/the Delta.

[bomberjet]

P&M is emptying out. TNSE wasn't kidding when they said TNS would be the new heart. They're stripping the exsiting heart bare.

[Urban recluse]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

P&M is emptying out. TNSE wasn't kidding when they said TNS would be the new heart. They're stripping the exsiting heart bare.

Time to open up P&M, and redevelop the corners. Hmmm, "The Corners at Portage & Main"

[bomberjet]

https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/...25404397989889



https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/...27345412829184



https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/...24677265051648



https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/...24915660947457



https://twitter.com/truenorthsquare/...29964130709504

[esquire]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

P&M is emptying out. TNSE wasn't kidding when they said TNS would be the new heart. They're stripping the exsiting heart bare.

Yeah wow. If I'm Hartley Richardson at this presser I'd have to be a little nervous. Lombard Place is going to be left in the dust by this project. It's a little sad but it does seem as though the centre of Winnipeg's orbit is shifting a bit to the west. Hmm, I wonder what could be done to bring renewed vitality to Portage and Main?

From the website, it appears that the office tower is half-leased at this point.

I wonder how the uptake on condos will be? Between Skycity and Glasshouse, there have already been a lot of condos sold in downtown Winnipeg lately relative to the size of the market.