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Old Posted Mar 4, 2019, 3:23 AM
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Why would you want to recreate another Kingsway-like strip of bland and underused retail down Cambie? Vancouver needs to break free of the streetcar development pattern in favour of village-like nodes. More walkable and creates a better sense of community.
I disagree. I think that the problem with under-performing retail areas is insufficient nearby population density, not the presence of continuous retail. We can disagree, but that's my opinion.
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I disagree. I think that the problem with under-performing retail areas is insufficient nearby population density, not the presence of continuous retail. We can disagree, but that's my opinion.
And where is that density going to come from?
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And where is that density going to come from?
The redevelopment of the Cambie Corridor at the scale I previously described.
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The Canada Line probably helps too. It appears to be the only thing keeping Marine Gateway alive right now.
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I disagree. I think that the problem with under-performing retail areas is insufficient nearby population density, not the presence of continuous retail. We can disagree, but that's my opinion.
If you have continuous single-street retail down a very long corridor, the population thins out in many areas, especially in density-fearing Vancouver. Hence the demise of retail along many of our outdated low-density streets.

The reason why Main street around Mt Pleasant is doing well is because the area is a retail node (ie, retail spanning multiple streets), and that in recent times, population has increased around there as higher density residential buildings are approved. Decent public transport plays an important role too. The same rationale applies for W. Broadway/Granville Street and W. Broadway Cambie.

Vancouver's city planning certainly leaves a lot to be desired: low-density streets are usually allowed with lots of retail while high population density neighbourhoods only have limited retail. If you can transplant all the retail on 4th Ave and place them in, say Olympic Village, that would be a way nicer neighbourhood to live, work and explore. Streets like 1st Ave, 2nd Ave, Main and Quebec St should all be lined with retail. The empty space beside Main Street station should be a retail centre, ie. a mall. Similarly, 4th Ave at Kits area should be allowed to grow with way higher density housing around, with 3rd and 5th Avenues in that neighbourhood also established retail streets.

Continuous retail on Cambie street would not fare well at this point in time. It works in Toronto's Yonge street due to many of its retail nodes all along the road. The Cambie corridor lacks that.
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Phase Three of the Cambie Corridor has been approved - why haven't we seen any proposed towers around Oakridge Town Centre (other than the mall of course)? I would think this would be a feast for developers...
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Phase Three of the Cambie Corridor has been approved - why haven't we seen any proposed towers around Oakridge Town Centre (other than the mall of course)? I would think this would be a feast for developers...
I think it will come. Developers are watching to make sure the new mayor's office doesn't change their stance on this. Also, timing is bad in that the world is going through slower economic growth right now, so sales will definitely not as good as previous years.
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Phase Three of the Cambie Corridor has been approved - why haven't we seen any proposed towers around Oakridge Town Centre (other than the mall of course)? I would think this would be a feast for developers...
Probably because developers realize the market is rolling over. Westbank may have had enough offshore contacts to fill an Oakridge tower, but not every developer does.
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Many are waiting for land prices to change in relation to selling prices, which are all normalizing to a degree and we're seeing this successfully in East Van.
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Phase Three of the Cambie Corridor has been approved - why haven't we seen any proposed towers around Oakridge Town Centre (other than the mall of course)? I would think this would be a feast for developers...
It's the City. Not the developers. The City is extremely slow in processing the applications. Its not the market, Its not the developers, its the City. Source: I have heard first hand from two prominent developers with sites around Oakridge.
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I agree with VanK that the city is primarily to blame for the slowing development of projects since the approval of phase III. There would be way more projects going ahead if the city would work faster.
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Cambie Phase 2 - Towers (2011)
Cambie Pahse 3 - Townhomes (2018)
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It's the City. Not the developers. The City is extremely slow in processing the applications. Its not the market, Its not the developers, its the City. Source: I have heard first hand from two prominent developers with sites around Oakridge.
Its both.

This is brand new policy that not many anticipated coming. Buildings take a long time to design to a DP ready stage and the City takes a long time to approve things.

Combine that with the current out of control cost of construction and the slow absorption of units and I'm not surprised we aren't seeing a ton of new projects just yet.

They're coming though
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Its both.

This is brand new policy that not many anticipated coming. Buildings take a long time to design to a DP ready stage and the City takes a long time to approve things.

Combine that with the current out of control cost of construction and the slow absorption of units and I'm not surprised we aren't seeing a ton of new projects just yet.

They're coming though
Didn't they also find a river under Oakridge or something that delayed it?
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An aquifer yes, but that isn't what goldenboi was asking about, he was asking about all the other towers now possible, as seen in this massing:


https://urbanyvr.com/oakridge-transit-centre-plans-unveiled-at-open-house
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Its both.

This is brand new policy that not many anticipated coming. Buildings take a long time to design to a DP ready stage and the City takes a long time to approve things.

Combine that with the current out of control cost of construction and the slow absorption of units and I'm not surprised we aren't seeing a ton of new projects just yet.

They're coming though
I'll be very curious to see how the market abosrbs all the new low-rise supply about to come to market between King Ed and 40th. Lots of assignments in Contessa, Parc Elise, Parc 26 etc...
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Didn't they also find a river under Oakridge or something that delayed it?
Aquifer. It's like a reservoir, but underground.
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