MIAMI | Development Thread

[VisionMIA]

OMG! maybe next time I'll clarify a lil more didn't realize people would jump on this..
and by the way I think the Miami skyline looks great at any angle.

the photos I showed was to see that Miami skyline size or land space of tall buildings is almost half of Chicago.. I never said Density, Height, tall buildings etc..

and I like how we spread our talls from one side to the other. I think it looks better than a tall grouped together in one core. too many US cities look like that. I think the ribbed balconies look is awesome it looks different from any other city in America and shows you Miami is different. you tell me in any other city that has balconie that tall. condos to me means more fun less work. too many office buildings than it will look a bit boring like Houston..I love Houston but it is gray. I would not vacation in that downtown.

[Juan_M2118]

Originally Posted by VisionMIA

OMG! maybe next time I'll clarify a lil more didn't realize people would jump on this..
and by the way I think the Miami skyline looks great at any angle.

the photos I showed was to see that Miami skyline size or land space of tall buildings is almost half of Chicago.. I never said Density, Height, tall buildings etc..

and I like how we spread our talls from one side to the other. I think it looks better than a tall grouped together in one core. too many US cities look like that. I think the ribbed balconies look is awesome it looks different from any other city in America and shows you Miami is different. you tell me in any other city that has balconie that tall. condos to me means more fun less work. too many office buildings than it will look a bit boring like Houston..I love Houston but it is gray. I would not vacation in that downtown.

Well you said it, Condos to me means more fun less work. A city will not GROW, if it doesnt work. Miami needs to bring BUSINESS to its downtown. In my opinions, and yes i did say MY OPINION< so that people dont come running at me, I honestly think miami is not even a quarter of LAND SPACE like you said, compared to chicago. I tell you this because the pictures you usually see are the main part of downtown, starting from the JOhn Hancock, to the sears tower, well THERE IS WAY MORE, to the north and to the south, yes chicago's skyline almost reaches INDIANA. Like i said, chicago's skyline might not be the densest, (second in the US), but it sure is VERY LONG. VERY VERY long, starting before lake shore drive, and ending way past McCormick Center. I will try to post some pics, but im not sure if i can,, let me try,, THANKS!!!

[Cityseed]

Originally Posted by VisionMIA

more fun less work.

This has been Miami's problem lately. Everyone wants to party and not work. Everyone wants the cool car while making 10 bucks an hour. The majority of this decade was riding on easy money from the real estate boom.

And btw, modern office buildings aren't gloomy and gray anymore. They can be made out of blue or green glass.

Yes, Juan, you're right about the office buildings. However, Miami is getting a couple of 600'+ office buildings in Met 2 and Brickell Financial Center phase I. Phase II could be over 900' which is pretty sweet.

[noland123]

Miami is a more colorful city as I think Chicago's skyline appears drab the buildings just have a dark and dingy look to them, however Chicago has a dense skyline by far and definitely more office buildings. The skylines are similar in nature as far as a linear appeal and Lake Michigan and Biscayne Bay both have aqua-blue waters

[Juan_M2118]

Well here a couple of shots i got from google pictures, i tried my best, i didnt really get the pics i was hoping to get, I lived most of my life in chicago, so i know. Well anyways, here are the pics that shows that chicago is not just the little part you see on those pics that were posted before. Chicao's skyline is very LOOOONNNNGGGGG,, and downtown has the tallest buildings off course, and thats the problem, because of those high buildings, people tend to forget about the rest, like in this case.

This is what people usually see when they see a pic of Chicago
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But thisis what they forget to look at,, there is more to the north and sout, west, and well a beautiful lake that looks like an ocean to the east.[IMG][/IMG]This picture is from Lake Shore Drive, to the north. Downtown is at the end.[IMG][/IMG]This picture is taken from the western suburbs, and where is was taken, IT IS STILL CHICAGO, look at the size of the skyline, long right
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This picture is taken from the neighboor state Indiana, on a sunny day, you can perfectly see chicago's skyline from the beach in indiana[IMG][/IMG]
This one clearly SHOWS that the skyline is not just what they usually show on the pictures, the picture is taken from Hyde park, which is 6 miles from downtown, it is still chicago, and you can see the rows of skyscrapers along the shore, yes this is chicago, but many dont know that our skyline is not just about the sears tower, its WAY LONGER.
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Now i would like to invite someone to post some pics of miami, and only miami, because coral gables, or coconut grove is not miami. I want to see how Miami's skyline compare to chicago. So like i have said before, miami's skyline is not even a quarter of what chicago is. Miami needs to work on office buildings. And some people think that in chicago there aren't buildings with balconies, well we do have plenty. BUt i have always thought that glass was better then balconies, and chicago has WAY more buildings made out of glass. People dont seem to realize that chicago is one of the most modern city in the US, and its after miami for having the second larget BOOM. BUt i still insist that the buildings built in chicago are way more quality.


THANKS!!!!

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Originally Posted by Cityseed

I can remember South Beach in the late '90's. No one wanted to live south of 5th. All of a sudden, whoever had something there was suddenly in the money. If you owned that condo then and held it till '06, you made some nice cash. If only I had been wise enough. .

You should have seen the place in the 80s when I lived there before Miami Vice changed everything. It was overrun with Cuban low-life and Ocean Drive was lined with elderly sitting out on their verandas staring out over the Ocean. I think the international appeal of Miami Vice is what changed everything. The show projected a glamorous image of South Florida and South Beach around the world, and those who came to see it for themselves like Gianni Versace, not finding this glamorous image, actually created it. Portofino Tower (484 feet) on South Point Drive was completed in 1997, so people had caught on by then and the Portofino Yacht Club and The Floridian were completed before I left in 1999.

Originally Posted by Cityseed

The skyline coming from the Macarthur Cswy looks real nice. Its also real nice if you're on a boat in the bay NE of the Rickenbacker. That is my favorite view since you capture all buildings within your line of sight.

Yes, the skyline coming across the MacArthur Causeway is very impressive. To me, it looks as though a giant tsunami is about to fall on me. And the view from the vantage point you mention I think is our best angle.

We did well to get what we got out of this "boom" though many people take issue with the architecture not looking as 21st century as they had hoped. Ornamentation is just not cost-effective for developers who want to just make money and have no artistic eye. So many of the shorter condos I think kept a lot of taller and more interesting designs from getting out of the ground. That is why statistically Miami is third in the 400 feet tall and up height range only, and not the 500 feet tall and up height range which is the New York and Chicago standard for a skyscraper. That keeps Houston still third behind New York and Chicago. Still the "boom" was such that it has brought unprecedented interest and attention to the Miami, and I think therefore, we will see continued development in Miami at a more civilized pace with taller, more interesting designs to come.

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Originally Posted by Juan_M2118

Now i would like to invite someone to post some pics of miami, and only miami, because coral gables, or coconut grove is not miami. I want to see how Miami's skyline compare to chicago. So like i have said before, miami's skyline is not even a quarter of what chicago is. Miami needs to work on office buildings. And some people think that in chicago there aren't buildings with balconies, well we do have plenty. BUt i have always thought that glass was better then balconies, and chicago has WAY more buildings made out of glass. People dont seem to realize that chicago is one of the most modern city in the US, and its after miami for having the second larget BOOM. BUt i still insist that the buildings built in chicago are way more quality.
THANKS!!!!

Post some of the pics of Miami that I sent you then because I don't have the capability. Coconut Grove is Miami, but doesn't really have any noteworthy tall buildings. Miami Beach and Sunny Isles Beach have noteworthy skylines in Miami-Dade county, but many people outside of South Florida don't realize that they are independent cities, the skylines of which have to be counted separately. While we could never have a skyline as big as Chicago's or as tall because of FAA height restrictions with MIA in the middle of the city, Miami is running into a similar problom of getting all of its skyline into one picture. There are buildings over 500 feet tall that are not in any of the pics VisionMia has posted so far. And we have skyscrapers approved and property zoned for skyscrapers farther north. Park West is zoned for skyscrapers as well, so the skyline will fill out as well as get longer over the years. I'm calling it the Chicago of the South because it will look more like Chicago than it will any other city, with a long skyline that will become more broad and dense over the years.

[Siriusly]

Here are some pretty good examples of the point that you're making Juan:










These shows how far north the skyline strecthes:

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Those are some great pictures of Chicago. I'm so glad I found the skyscraper websites because I have found some incredile shots of a lot of great skylines!

Yes, it is a pretty good example of the point Juan is making, and I have sent him that very same pic of Miami because it is also a pretty good example of the point we are making as well. I would not say Miami's skyline is half or even a quarter of the size of Chicago's skyline, but I think it is pretty clear from those pics that the Miami skyline is shaping up to look like a smaller version of Chicago's. In fact, from comparing those photos, I think Miami's skyline is shaping up to look even more like a smaller version of Chicago's skyline than I had originally thought with where the buildings are located in the pic and along the the Miami River. Where you see the white building at the top of the Miami skyline in the middle of the pic is the northern boundary of the new downtown with several skyscrapers approved for that area with more property zoned for skyscrapers that far north (Edgewater) and just a little further down to the left of the builidings in the photograph (Park West).

For those of you not familiar with South Florida, the bridge at the bottom is the Rickenbacker Causeway, which takes you to the Miami Seaquarium and Key Biscayne where people picnic and go to the beach at Crandon Park. Crossing the Rickenbacker Causeway into Miami is what looks a lot like taking the San Francisco Transbay Bridge into San Francisco. The other causeways north of there take you to Miami Beach, the barrier island shaped like a shark's head to the right. The cluster of buidlings in the nose of the shark's head is South Beach and driving across the causeways from South Beach into Miami has become very dramatic.

[Siriusly]

Heres is a Great pano of the length of the Chicago Skyline:

[Siriusly]

Originally Posted by NewAtlantisMiami

Those are some great pictures of Chicago. I'm so glad I found the skyscraper websites because I have found some incredile shots of a lot of great skylines!

Yes, it is a pretty good example of the point Juan is making, and I have sent him that very same pic of Miami because it is also a pretty good example of the point we are making as well. I would not say Miami's skyline is half or even a quarter of the size of Chicago's skyline, but I think it is pretty clear from those pics that the Miami skyline is shaping up to look like a smaller version of Chicago's. Where you see the white building at the top of the Miami skyline in the middle of the pic is the northern boundary of the new downtown with several skyscrapers approved for that area with more property zoned for skyscrapers that far north and to the left of the builidings in the photograph (Edgewater and Park West).

I agree with you, I believe Miami is capable of becoming a smaller version of Chicago... I realize that we've had a pretty big head start also. I think Miami will eventually compare to Chicago in the way that we currently compare to New York:


This is ridiculous!!!

[Juan_M2118]

Originally Posted by Siriusly

Here are some pretty good examples of the point that you're making Juan:










These shows how far north the skyline strecthes:

I must congratulate you for putting those pictures up there, since i think you live in chicago, i KNOW that you know what is going through my head. I now live in miami, and its good, but OH MAN, i wish i lived in chicago. Seeing my city gro so much, without me really there makes me real sad. **one thing though, I know chicago is growing very fast, and in a couple of years, we will even get another boom of 100 or more tower**, I really want chicago to grow, but to a point, i would hate to see chicago, like a new york, i mean new york just doesnt have AIR TO BREATH. lol, well thats my opinion. Im just so exited that the the waterside is going up even though it had problem, the spire, legacy, one museum park west, aqua, and so many more, that you get lost, and dont even know where to begin. THOSE PICS ARE AWESOME man i miss chicago, going to the beach, downtown, the museums, shedd a, united center. Congratulations, i would love to see more pics of chicago and miami, since you (i dont know how) find exelent ones.
And NEWATLANTISMIAMI, i thank you for sending me those pictures, they were really awesome, never had i seen miami from those points of view.

From the City of Magic
much love to the Windy City (politician talk)
*windy realy doesnt mean (windy), lol

[Siriusly]

Thanks for your kind words Juan and I found all of those pics on SSC:

Here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=411382

As for what you said about Chicago not becoming too much like New York, I agree, We have all the luxuries of a Megapolis like New York but still have liveability...

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Then Juan, post the pics I sent you here because I'm not able to. After all, it is the Miami Development Thread. I would especially like the ones from the jet liner posted that has all the cranes, and the one with the sunset that shows how long with skyscrapers the Miami skyline is going to be.

[Juan_M2118]

Originally Posted by NewAtlantisMiami

Then Juan, post the pics I sent you here because I'm not able to. After all, it is the Miami Development Thread. I would especially like the ones from the jet liner posted that has all the cranes, and the one with the sunset that shows how long with skyscrapers the Miami skyline is going to be.

Here you go people,, enjoy, the last two are from CHICAGO










And this is chicago, you know i love to show it off, lol



now can someone put more pics or miami and chicago please,, lol maybe even FUTURE skylines of both cities??

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Originally Posted by Juan_M2118

Here you go people,, enjoy, the last two are from CHICAGO

now can someone put more pics or miami and chicago please,, lol maybe even FUTURE skylines of both cities??

Thanks, Juan!

That first pic is our Brickell Financial District from the air. Notice all the cranes, and foundation work is going on at the bottom of the picture where the cleared lots are. Most of the green has been zoned for skyscrapers with approved projects waiting for the market to turn around.

The second pic is from my old South Beach apartment 10 years ago. Compare the difference.

The third pic is the Brickell Financial District and the CBD beyond from the Rickenbacker Causeway.

The fourth pic from Miami Beach at sunset with the skyline beautifully outlined in silhouette shows how far the Miami skyline will eventually spread. Four buildings over 500 feet tall have been approved for the space where the sun is in the pic, and more surrounding property has been zoned for skyscrapers.

The fifth pic shows where our supertalls will be in the skyline, One Bayfront Plaza and Empire World.

The sixth pic also from South Beach shows the full spread of the skyline currently with buildings over 500 feet tall.

The seventh one from the jet liner approaching Miami International Airport is my favorite with the Brickell Financial District in the foreground and downtown beyond and the then the Edgewater Arts District. I have that as my wall paper all the time. Brickell Avenue is our Wall Street down here.

[Siriusly]

Originally Posted by Juan_M2118

Here you go people, enjoy

I really like this pic, are these towers definite?

Originally Posted by Juan_M2118

Now can someone put more pics or miami and chicago please,, lol maybe even FUTURE skylines of both cities??

I don't know where any future Miami pics are other than the one above but here is one of Chicago ... Fom Ryan81, There are a copule significant towers still not in this rendering... I hope someone can find some of Miami to compare the future growth of the two cities...

[Siriusly]

Here are some Mimai pics that I found, the first one is my favorite of the all the pics I've ever seen of Miami:









Not to keep posting Chicago pics in the Miami thread but here's one I figured you guys would like, it's the only nitetime rendering of the Spire I've seen:

[NewAtlantisMiami]

Our supertalls are not definite yet. One Bayfront Plaza with the Dubai twist has been approved and is slated to be our signature tower. The twin Empire World towers have not yet been approved, but they are the ones the developer says he will build in the next 5 years if the market wants them. If they do get built relatively soon, Miami will have the distinction of being the only American city outside of New York and Chicago with more than one supertall. And if all of Florida's buildings over 500 feet tall were put in Miami, we would not only get the ones on Miami Beach and Sunny Isles Beach, but the ones in Tampa, Jacksonville, Hallandale Beach, and Cape Canaveral as well (the Vehicle Assembly bldg.)

[VisionMIA]

ahhh! Chicago! so large, so elegant it demands respect!
well here is a bit of MIA.


credit Miami dammit it is long. 3rd long! in US terms of course!