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Old Posted Jul 26, 2010, 9:40 PM
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Ya know I was driving to Regina last weekend for the Rider game and got to thinking that a passenger train that runs between Saskatoon and Regina would be a great idea. Is this something that they've ever thought about?

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This has been thought about several times. The problem is, is that there is no real sustainability with this. Saskatoon and Regina are not large enough centers to justify this commute. Calgary and Edmonton still don't find it feasible and they are both over 1 million people. However, knowing this will most likely be valuable in the future the province is securing rail lines that are continually being abandoned in between Regina and Saskatoon to hopefully one day implement a high speed rail between the two cities.
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Old Posted Jul 26, 2010, 11:29 PM
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The parking lot at 25th and 2nd has a sign up saying "Development Inquiries" and lists a phone number. The lot is owned by T&T Properties, who developed the T&T Towers a block east on 25th and 3rd.
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Old Posted Jul 28, 2010, 7:32 PM
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Population Projections

The City of Saskatoon has released a Population Projections (2006-2026) report prepared by Hanna Crosby & Associates. Available here.

A couple highlights:

- In a medium growth situation (20 year average annual growth rate of 1%), the City would reach a population of 257,178 by 2026 (and the CMA would be 303,444).

- In a high growth situation (2% growth rate), the City would reach 310,362 by 2026 (CMA population: 358,829).

- The projections use the 2006 population as its base. By their own calculations, in 2011, with medium growth the population would be 219,940, and with high growth the population would be 232,372. The June 30th population estimate released by the City estimates the current population at 223,200. So that puts us above the medium growth target for 2011 already and on the high growth path.

- To compare a little bit, Stats Can pegs the the city population (not metro) at 277,000 by 2030 in a high growth situation, and 248,000 in a low growth situation. Source

So, what do you guys think? Given a high growth situation could the Saskatoon CMA be nearly 360,000 people by 2026? That's 100,000 more people than there are in the metro today. Is that too high? Too low?

Do you have your own predictions?
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The parking lot at 25th and 2nd has a sign up saying "Development Inquiries" and lists a phone number. The lot is owned by T&T Properties, who developed the T&T Towers a block east on 25th and 3rd.
Oh ... I was hoping you'd meant T&T Supermarket!

That'd be nice if they did open up in Saskatchewan! They recently got bought out by Loblaw (2009), so hopefully Superstore can carry a few more of the Asian items that T&T is famous for! And maybe, the Loblaw distribution centre being built in Regina will make it easier for them to carry such things in the future! I think Saskatoon market would be able to get a T&T Supermarket before Regina! -- But we'd probably have to wait until after it arrives in Winnipeg!

http://www.tnt-supermarket.com/en/cprofile.php

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/...0c29-97af-4ea7-8bab-9eb7cd5b9dd2&k=78369

http://www.thestar.com/article/671187

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The City of Saskatoon has released a Population Projections (2006-2026) report prepared by Hanna Crosby & Associates. Available here.

A couple highlights:

- In a medium growth situation (20 year average annual growth rate of 1%), the City would reach a population of 257,178 by 2026 (and the CMA would be 303,444).

- In a high growth situation (2% growth rate), the City would reach 310,362 by 2026 (CMA population: 358,829).

- The projections use the 2006 population as its base. By their own calculations, in 2011, with medium growth the population would be 219,940, and with high growth the population would be 232,372. The June 30th population estimate released by the City estimates the current population at 223,200. So that puts us above the medium growth target for 2011 already and on the high growth path.

- To compare a little bit, Stats Can pegs the the city population (not metro) at 277,000 by 2030 in a high growth situation, and 248,000 in a low growth situation. Source

So, what do you guys think? Given a high growth situation could the Saskatoon CMA be nearly 360,000 people by 2026? That's 100,000 more people than there are in the metro today. Is that too high? Too low?

Do you have your own predictions?
I don't think Saskatoon will achieve the high projection but I do think it will be well above the low projection. If the province (and Western Canada) can sustain economic growth, Saskatoon will always be the centre of economic activity in Saskatchewan. As well with continued cultural developments, such as the AGS, Riverlanding, more night life, people will be more inclined to call Saskatoon there permanent home. Lastly, the city is really trying to make transit feasible and comfy for everyone in the city, so if they begin to work on densification and promoting transit I think the city will sustain a large city feel (which people REALLY like) while still being small. I'm going to say around 285 - 290 by 2026.
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^ I think that's a very reasonable estimate kgc. I think we'll fall somewhere between the "medium" and "high" growth targets as well.

On a somewhat related note, here's a nice read for a slow day (/week) around here....

Gerry Klein touches on affordable housing, immigration, population growth, and the City's upcoming Community Visioning process. All have certain relevance here on SSP:

Glimpse at a bright future
By Gerry Klein, The StarPhoenix July 29, 2010

A couple of weeks ago a friend came into my office and introduced me to a Saskatoon that I only had known on an academic basis.

Mya Htoo is a 25-year-old Karen refugee from Burma, who has lived in Saskatoon with her husband, daughter and some of her extended family since September 2007. For the past several months she has worked for the cleaning company that has the contract for The StarPhoenix.

Mya hung around my office a little longer than usual one day recently.

"How do you buy a house?" she asked. "Where I come from (that would be the jungles of Burma and the refugee camps of Thailand), no one buys a house."

For the majority of the people in Canada and particularly those in Saskatoon, home ownership is central to our identity. Yet, I wasn't sure where to start. I gave her a brief explanation, but even though Mya is exceptionally bright, our language difficulties -- particularly when trying to explain the notions of mortgages, pre-approved loans, real estate agents, and government subsidies -- made detailed explanations impossible.

On Sunday she came to my house with her husband Hehlweh, her father-in-law and one of Saskatoon's newest and most beautiful citizens, her daughter, Lovely.

Our discussion reminded me that for the second time in the three decades that I have lived here, Saskatoon is undergoing a fundamental change. The first came when the city's population exploded past that of Regina, and along with the growth came a much larger presence of aboriginal persons.

Ffrom my vantage point in the largest newsroom in the city I was able to be in constant contact with officials, pundits, academics and politicians who were determined to make sure Saskatoon adjusted in the most positive ways.

Whether Mya's family know it or not, it was the wisdom and optimism of those officials that will help her buy a home. Saskatoon is one of very few cities in Canada that's able to offer low-income families a grant to help cover their required mortgage deposit. The province matches the grant.

We drove out to a couple of residential developments that qualify for the program -- one in Pleasant Hill, and the other west of Circle Drive on Camponi Place. In both cases the developments constitute a unique opportunity to reform the neighbourhood.

The program is revenue-neutral, since the five-per-cent grant is recouped by diverting the taxes on the property back to the grant fund over several years until the participant has paid enough in taxes to offset the grant.

"I don't think there's another city in Canada with this program," senior city planner Allan Wallace told an SP reporter this winter.

When City Hall recently released its annual efficiency report, it changed the format to include information on structural changes the bureaucracy has made to save citizens tax revenue. More difficult to quantify in such a report are the chances the city has taken, such as these subsidy programs, that will dramatically improve and reshape Saskatoon.

Despite the difficulty of measuring the impact of such changes, city manager Murray Totland is determined to leave no idea unexplored to make sure the Saskatoon evolves in the best way possible. For that reason he has launched a visioning process designed to attract to the debate the best and brightest this city has to offer.

One thing is certain. Just as Saskatoon today in many ways barely resembles the city that so fearfully adjusted to the changes a generation ago, in another 20 years it won't be the city we know today.

The role of the automobile, the city's natural environment, the complexion of its inhabitants, its economic opportunities and its position in Canada's social structure all will change. And if Mya and her family provide a glimpse into the future, it is a bright one.

But for Saskatoon's visioning process to work, it will require the participation of its citizens in a way no other city could muster.

For its part, The StarPhoenix is putting together plans to become the platform for the discussion. Led by city hall reporter David Hutton -- another of Saskatoon's bright lights -- this will include a collection of blogs from a wide range of local experts, a series of stories and features on urban development, and opinion articles meant to drive the debate.

As executive editor Steve Gibb points out, "These are important times for the city, and we have to look at all aspects of future development."

While driving west down 22nd Street to look at the Camponi housing units, I asked Mya if Lovely would be going to university. Mya's education had been abbreviated by war, refugee camps and migration. Her mind was on the present challenge to secure a home. Burt she smiled, setting aside for a moment the nervousness of her impending meeting with a banker and Realtor, she contemplated her tiny child in a hat and gown.

"Yes, yes. Maybe she can go to university."

Considering the determination and intelligence obvious in her parents, I suspect Lovely will be in the graduating class when the time comes.

From my vantage point, the future couldn't be brighter.

© Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/business/Glimpse+bright+future/3336121/story.html#ixzz0v6NN7Ruy
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well I hope everyone keeps their fingers crossed for Lake Placid, 275 and some other great projects to get the go ahead while I take off on a new job until February.

I was hoping word on these would be in before I left but I'll try and check the site when I can with the limited internet access I'll have.

Keep spreading the good word of our fine city people, and enjoy the rest of your Saskatoon Summer

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sorry, i dont come around here often....was it announced that KPMB got the new mendel?

what did you guys think of that decision?
     
     
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sorry, i dont come around here often....was it announced that KPMB got the new mendel?

what did you guys think of that decision?
Yup, it's KPMB.

Personally, I'm OK with it. From what I can tell they do good work - albeit kind of safe. But I think we all expected the design to be safe from the beginning, so I think they'll come up with something nice. The comment has been made on here that KPMB is not real inclined to round or curvy designs. From past projects on their website this appears to be true, but I'm interested to see how they work with (/incorporate) the curved glass facade that the Persephone Theatre has already established (the 2 buildings will be connected).

So, safe is fine with me. Good architecture doesn't have to be groundbreaking - it just has to respect its context, make use of high quality materials, allow the building to function as intended, and be pleasing to the eye. I don't think I'd want a Gehry-esque crumpled tinfoil design on our riverbank anyway.

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well I hope everyone keeps their fingers crossed for Lake Placid, 275 and some other great projects to get the go ahead while I take off on a new job until February.

I was hoping word on these would be in before I left but I'll try and check the site when I can with the limited internet access I'll have.

Keep spreading the good word of our fine city people, and enjoy the rest of your Saskatoon Summer

Cheers

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Best of luck on your adventures - wherever it's taking you!
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Here`s some photos I snapped from the newly completely rooftop deck on 2nd ave lofts! YAY! Kind of gives a nice view of downtown/city park. I might try and get some more in the other direction. I think more roofs need this!!











It has:

- Power
- Lighting by the two entrances and in the pergola
- A hose
- Two propane bbqs
- Garden
- Wheel chair lift.

Pretty sick! I was on the team, doing some quick sketchs. This was what we started with.



Still working on adding a tree and more plants etc. Maybe a compost? Who knows. I'm just stoked it's open!

In other news, the Sheraton Towers are getting mad renovations (into hotel rooms), drive by and take a look at the new balconies and exterior paint. Should be done by early 2011 or so. I might snap some pics a little later.
     
     
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Hot!!! Is there room for the water feature or has that been axed? I agree with you, the option to escape to the rooftop for a late night gathering -- or any other time -- would improve the appeal of many downtown residences.

I feel so deprived languishing in my suburban slice of paradise -- I think the City Hall rooftop could be just as inviting (publicly accessible, of course), complete with large fountain!

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Love that rooftop! What a great way to draw young people into the downtown.
     
     
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The rooftop is ok. They really missed it on greeing up the roof though. On a hot day that would not be enjoyable in anyway. I think a couple rows of trees billowing with shrubs etc would have been a good idea. Plus the gravel roof should have been made a grass roof. Maybe even a putting green? Here is a good example of a greener roof top garden http://www.tridel.com/republic/amenities.php, essentially no open space, just pathways guiding you to a seating area and everything else is green.

When I was still working at Sew & Home we put a bid on for the new boutique hotel addition to the Sheraton. Unfortunately we did not win, but the old apartments are being renovated and becoming an upscale addition to the hotel.
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Does anyone know what's going on at Sturdy Stone? There's some "tarp" like covering over some of the windows... looks like some major work going on there too...
     
     
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Does anyone know what's going on at Sturdy Stone? There's some "tarp" like covering over some of the windows... looks like some major work going on there too...
They've been replacing windows. Its been going on for almost a year. It seems like it takes 2-3 weeks to get one section done.
     
     
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Hey thanks for the feedback on the roof. There probably won't be a water feature (at least for this year). Maintainability, weight, and cost were an issue, but were hoping for a few trees/shurbs and planters. There is a wall that I didn't show in the photos, you can see it in digital sketch, by the stairs, that will have greenery in it. The pergola will have some plants hanging from it and hopefully a lot of vines. The planning that was done so far pretty much ignored the plants as they can be done after. Just a matter of buying planters, dirt, plants, trees etc...

Remember, kgc, it just opened yesterday, and only started working on it at the end of june. And that deck you posted was VERY nice, but we didn't have 100 000 to spend. We did put some wood (er...rhino board) for the raised seating, it would have been way too much work and (aside from the visual apeal), a total waste of time, money, and material to make the entire deck out of wood like in the photo. As for having no gravel/concrete stones and just grass, i believe there would need to be a structural improvement done due to the weight of the sod/dirt and any moisture it retains. Just to put it into perspective, this was originally thought to be a common area with a few park benches, so it's come a long way. Sometimes (unfortunately) there needs to be sacrifices for budget, timeframe, and usability. I'll take photos in fall and we'll see what kind of improvements are made!

Interested that you made a bid on the Sheraton towers, you would have done a great job!

Anyone been to tequila yet? I'm going to see MSTRKRFT tomorrow, maybe I'll snap some pictures.
     
     
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Hey thanks for the feedback on the roof. There probably won't be a water feature (at least for this year). Maintainability, weight, and cost were an issue, but were hoping for a few trees/shurbs and planters. There is a wall that I didn't show in the photos, you can see it in digital sketch, by the stairs, that will have greenery in it. The pergola will have some plants hanging from it and hopefully a lot of vines. The planning that was done so far pretty much ignored the plants as they can be done after. Just a matter of buying planters, dirt, plants, trees etc...

Remember, kgc, it just opened yesterday, and only started working on it at the end of june. And that deck you posted was VERY nice, but we didn't have 100 000 to spend. We did put some wood (er...rhino board) for the raised seating, it would have been way too much work and (aside from the visual apeal), a total waste of time, money, and material to make the entire deck out of wood like in the photo. As for having no gravel/concrete stones and just grass, i believe there would need to be a structural improvement done due to the weight of the sod/dirt and any moisture it retains. Just to put it into perspective, this was originally thought to be a common area with a few park benches, so it's come a long way. Sometimes (unfortunately) there needs to be sacrifices for budget, timeframe, and usability. I'll take photos in fall and we'll see what kind of improvements are made!

Interested that you made a bid on the Sheraton towers, you would have done a great job!

Anyone been to tequila yet? I'm going to see MSTRKRFT tomorrow, maybe I'll snap some pictures.
That's too bad about the water feature. It's still a kickass rooftop lounge though. I like that you're adding some flowers, shrubs, and vines. Is there room for a small vegetable garden?

I too will be seeing MSTRKRFT. Anything will be an improvement over Ryly's
     
     
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Found this picture. Looks neat.

     
     
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I don't think Saskatoon will achieve the high projection but I do think it will be well above the low projection. If the province (and Western Canada) can sustain economic growth, Saskatoon will always be the centre of economic activity in Saskatchewan. As well with continued cultural developments, such as the AGS, Riverlanding, more night life, people will be more inclined to call Saskatoon there permanent home. Lastly, the city is really trying to make transit feasible and comfy for everyone in the city, so if they begin to work on densification and promoting transit I think the city will sustain a large city feel (which people REALLY like) while still being small. I'm going to say around 285 - 290 by 2026.
Well, in response to your statement that Saskatoon will ALWAYS be the centre of activity is folly. Regina is presently BLOWING AWAY our Saskatoon in economic development!!! For instance, go down there and look at the Global Transportation Hub ---- the first warehouse is almost complete. And you know what? It is ONE HALF mile in length!!! And there will be SEVERAL OTHER warehouses of similar magnitude joining it in the future. Moreover, go look at their refinery, it is undergoing a $1.9 billion expansion. Not to mention the stadium ---- which WILL go up ---- and we all know it!!! Regina also has several highrise projects which will break ground in the near future that will DWARF Saskatoon's River Landing ----especially in regards to height. (Even though the River Landing WILL be very nice)

Culture/nightlife/River Landing? ---- don't make me laugh!!!!

Saskatoon may be geographically more central at the meso-scale (meaning just Saskatchewan); however, Regina is more central at the MACRO scale (in reference to North America). Which would YOU rather be? (Hence the GTH)

Regina's downtown resembles a small-scale rendition of Dallas, whereas Saskatoon resembles Prince Albert!!!! Moreover, don't forget the fact that Regina is the capital city; possesses the Riders; and is "Home of the RCMP" as well!! Oh, and by the way, you should as well, go drive by the RCMP on Dewdney Ave. West, for it is now the size of a respectable university campus!!! Don't take my word for it --- go see for yourself. (Though Saskatoon still has the U.of S.)

285-290 sounds about right. Regina won't be far behind though.
     
     
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While I enjoy your enthusiasm about Regina, I think me and everyone else on this forum would rather you posted that on the Regina thread, seeing as the way your piece is written in the context solely to brag.

And while I agree we have expansion going on.. Saskatoon will always have the river, the nightlife, the shopping and just the big city feel to it. Something I am sure Regina won't have for quite some time.

Now!! back on to Saskatoon Topic!
     
     
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