ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 428

AtlantaMustang · #**8541** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 5:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

People live where they choose to and can afford to live...not only in Atlanta but everywhere. Morningside may be "wildly more desirable" to you and me, but obviously not to a majority of homeowners who have chosen to live elsewhere.

The prices show that it is wildly desireable, just not possible to everyone as they cannot afford it.

AtlantaMustang · #**8542** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 5:46 PM**

Concrete for the streetcar is making it's way down Luckie Street btw.

Taken by me just now

RudyJK · #**8543** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 5:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by briantech

If it was up to me we'd slap a $6/gallon gas tax on consumer gasoline, get gas prices up to like $10/gallon, use that tax revenue to fund a massive development of public heavy and light rail, and wait for the problem to solve itself as everyone immediately gets their asses closer to the main CBDs of the city.

In other words, "I don't like the way some people have chosen to live so I support taxing their way of life out of existence!"

Sounds like you'd be happier in one of the glorious centrally planned urban cities of China.

ATL_J · #**8544** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 6:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by RudyJK

In other words, "I don't like the way some people have chosen to live so I support taxing their way of life out of existence!"

Sounds like you'd be happier in one of the glorious centrally planned urban cities of China.

I don't think that it's "I don't like the way some people live.." as much as that some people want everyone to pay the true costs of gasoline. There are a lot of negative externalities that come from the extraction and use of gasoline (pollution chief among them) and these companies receive massive subsidies (to the tune of billions per year).

Suburban developments also wouldn't exist in their current format and to their current extent without the massive federal and state investment in road infrastructure. How much does the federal government pay for roads compared to alternate transportation methods? How much does the state pay for roads compared to alternate transportation methods?

Not to mention single family home ownership (typical in car dependent, suburban areas) is made possible for many through federal subsidies, whereas alternate forms of living (renting, condos) are not nearly subsidized to the same extent.

So your "Sounds like you'd be happier in one of the glorious centrally planned urban cities of China." comes off as rather naive, as the typical suburban, car dependent layout of many of our cities today did not simply happen organically, but through government actions.

testarossa50 · #**8545** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 10:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by L.ARCH

http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/...ior-glimpses-delectable-updates.php#more

"Construction on a 222-unit apartment complex called "Alexan On Krog Street" could begin by late this year. The garden-style apartments will rise just south of the existing Stove Works complex and should take less than 18 months to complete. One selling point, officials hope, will be the project's hundreds of feet of Beltline frontage."

Sheesh, yet another apartment complex? This area is getting darned near full.

Will this go on top of the Stoveworks surface lot or in the plot below it?

scania · #**8546** Posted **Oct 3, 2013, 11:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

People live where they choose to and can afford to live...not only in Atlanta but everywhere. Morningside may be "wildly more desirable" to you and me, but obviously not to a majority of homeowners who have chosen to live elsewhere.

Great ANSWER!

pawelra · #**8547** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 12:47 AM**

I was driving 75 south today and I noticed a few crains at Northside Pkwy exit so I did a little research and here what I found. Nothing special around 8 floors but I like the design and it's going to fit perfectly to existing buildings.
I wish to see more buildings like that around Atlanta.

http://tworealtypartners.com/?p=307

thebigATL · #**8548** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 1:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by pawelra

I was driving 75 south today and I noticed a few crains at Northside Pkwy exit so I did a little research and here what I found. Nothing special around 8 floors but I like the design and it's going to fit perfectly to existing buildings.
I wish to see more buildings like that around Atlanta.

http://tworealtypartners.com/?p=307

It really would be cool if we could have some of those buildings and i love how it look so historic.

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http://atlanta.curbed.com/archives/2013/...s-for-downtown-tourist-district.php#more

I hope they accept this because if this happen this will be a major development : they compared it to the western building in downtown. So I cant wait to see where it turns out and this could be a new development for vine city because the dome is the edge of it!!!

cabasse · #**8549** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 1:31 AM**

i think the one currently under construction is vallate - http://www.emstructural.com/vallate-apartments/ - but either way, this little district is really turning into something quietly it seems.

thebigATL · #**8550** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 4:45 AM**

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Originally Posted by cabasse

i think the one currently under construction is vallate - http://www.emstructural.com/vallate-apartments/ - but either way, this little district is really turning into something quietly it seems.

YES IT IS!!!AND ITS GREAT FOR DOWNTOWN IT SO MUCH CONSTRUCTION NOW!!!THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL MUSEUM AND CIVIL RIGHTS MUSEUM,STREETCAR,NEW STADIUM,2-3 PROPOSED HOTELS,MULTI-MODAL AND ETC. AND ITS ALL IN THE HEART OF AND I WONT BE SURPRISE THEY PUT ANOTHER ATTRACTION LIKE SKYVIEW ATLANTA FERRIS WHEEL---LIKE A TOWER THAT U CAN SEE THE WHOLE CITY OR A SMALL CARNIVAL OR MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE STATUE OF LIBERTY.!!!

AND THE CITY WILL BE LIVE!!!!

party

Immovable_Media · #**8551** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 5:37 PM**

I asked a senior official at Central Atlanta Progress why the Downtown Loop was the inaugural line for the Atlanta Streetcar, as opposed to say the proposed line along Peachtree St. (from Brookhaven MARTA to 5 Points). This CAP official said the failure of T-SPLOST combined with (as you said) lack of completed studies on the Peachtree St line effectively forced them to focus their efforts on the Downtown Loop as the 1st line, since funding would be easier to secure and studies were closer to completion. This official also mentioned how at several public meetings residence of Midtown were unified in stating their concerns regarding the car Maintenance Facilities noise, pollution and its overall effect of the neighborhood's quality of life, not to mention it would be an unwelcome eyesore. Overwhelmingly Midtowners supported the Atlanta Streetcar as a great local transportation option and an effective form of traffic relief, saying they would definitely use it. Yet a resounding NO was heard to housing the Maintenance Facility in Midtown. This official also pointed out that the GDOT already owned the land and the City of Atlanta has been trying to improve the area underneath the connector for years.

Streetcar Maintenance Yard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPtWIfKLYYE

Entire Loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-WXPsFbzbI

- Individual sections of the Atlanta Streetcar -

(1) Centennial Olympic Park to Woodruff Park: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAvsnuG20QI
(2) Woodruff Park to 75/85 Connector via Edgewood Ave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vVGbttfYiM
(3) 75/85 Connector to King Historic District via Edgewood Ave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmH6_xC4UQU
(4) King Historic District to 75/85 Connector via Auburn Ave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxV2b1KHEzc
(5) 75/85 Connector to Woodruff Park via Auburn Ave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVAZ7D3wzxE
(6) Woodruff Park to Centennial Olympic Park via Peachtree St, Ellis St, Carnegie Way & Andrew Young International Blvd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxqbM_cBgPM

Immovable_Media · #**8552** Posted **Oct 4, 2013, 5:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by pawelra

I was driving 75 south today and I noticed a few crains at Northside Pkwy exit so I did a little research and here what I found. Nothing special around 8 floors but I like the design and it's going to fit perfectly to existing buildings.
I wish to see more buildings like that around Atlanta.

http://tworealtypartners.com/?p=307

I'm pretty sure the cranes you saw were associated with Vallate Apartments currently under construction: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChYj-owVGF0
I don't think The Gavitello has broken ground, or ever will.

TarHeelJ · #**8553** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 2:02 AM**

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Originally Posted by AtlantaMustang

The prices show that it is wildly desireable, just not possible to everyone as they cannot afford it.

The sheer numbers show that the suburbs are much more popular...

Frankster87 · #**8554** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 2:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

The sheer numbers show that the suburbs are much more popular...

Or that people get priced out. Drive till you qualify. Nice try though.

atlantaguy · #**8555** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 3:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by TarHeelJ

The sheer numbers show that the suburbs are much more popular...

I really don't know if that's the case, though.

I could NEVER afford my neighborhood now as a first time buyer, even after the meltdown of a few years ago. I moved here from Midtown when it was time to buy and stop renting (NW DeKalb). I have never regretted it and love it here, but I honestly don't know how I could swing it today if I was just starting out.

As far as owning in the areas of the City that I would even consider, I really can't imagine it ever happening without winning the lottery.

I think most folks live in the burbs because of the affordability. Every single friend I have out there wishes they lived closer in, and I'm talking about more than a few people.

scania · #**8556** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 5:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by Frankster87

Or that people get priced out. Drive till you qualify. Nice try though.

I hate when people make statements that are so unnecessary and untrue. People that usually make these statements are people that live in the lower income sections of that district.
There are expensive places in Midtown, as well as very affordable areas. This is true for all areas of the city and suburbs. Lets be realistic, most people who make a combined income of $200k with three kids, are not going to choose a high rise downtown. It doesn't mean they can't afford one. I've a friend that just had a baby, she and her husband or both lawyers, she specifically wants to either be in Sandy Springs, or East Cobb. Yes, they love city life as much as anyone, they moved here two years ago from Manhattan. But for them its about the overall family life for their child and possibly future kids. To make statements as if people can't afford the city is a joke. There are plenty of retail kids, telemarketers, and hotel staff, that live in the city.

micropundit · #**8557** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 6:32 PM**

Downtown Atlanta’s Sweet Auburn Curb Market is listed as one if the best food markets of the world in this USA Today piece. Here’s a quote:

The market first started in 1918 and was housed in a giant tent, bringing fresh produce from farmers to the people of Atlanta. Vendors at the market are independently owned businesses, and sell products like meat, fish, baked goods, vegetables, fruits, nuts, and plants. There are many restaurants inside the market, several of which serve ethnic foods, like Afrodish Restaurant, which serves Caribbean prepared foods.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/destinations/2013/10/05/worlds-best-food-markets/2922967/

trainiac · #**8558** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 9:33 PM**

They were doing soil tests today all along the property of 5th & Peachtree. Maybe this one will get started soon!

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/print...apartment-tower-planned-for-midtown.html

L.ARCH · #**8559** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 9:45 PM**

Not to start any unsubstantiated rumors, but there is another big residential project in the works for a parking lot on Peachtree St. in Midtown. Cant give away any specifics, but I think you guys are gonna like it! Based on the schedule Ive seen, I'd expect an announcement sometime by the end of the year...

arjay57 · #**8560** Posted **Oct 7, 2013, 11:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by L.ARCH

Not to start any unsubstantiated rumors, but there is another big residential project in the works for a parking lot on Peachtree St. in Midtown. Cant give away any specifics, but I think you guys are gonna like it! Based on the schedule Ive seen, I'd expect an announcement sometime by the end of the year...

I love unsubstantiated construction rumors!

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see several pretty significant new projects announced around the city.