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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 4:27 PM
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Exxon dubs it a business resource centre. Many of the jobs are high paying, skilled positions. Call centres do fill a niche - many are second incomes or employ a group that may not have the skills for a trades job
Not all customer contact centres are sweat shops. The Royal Bank, ING Direct, BBM Marketing and Purolator contact centres in Moncton are good examples of this.

Having said this, I agree that any city (Moncton, SJ or whoever) should not have all their eggs in one basket.....
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 4:56 PM
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Exxon dubs it a business resource centre. Many of the jobs are high paying, skilled positions. Call centres do fill a niche - many are second incomes or employ a group that may not have the skills for a trades job
That might be true but it isn’t the larger point I was trying to drive home. If Saint John (and the whole of NB for that matter) wants to build long-term economic growth then the money needs to be invested on the quality of the jobs and not the quantity. The jobs at this Exxon Call Center might be an exception in terms of salaries but they are still in an operational cost-centric industry…meaning that they are at a higher-risk for ensuring long-term sustainability. As soon as the cost-benefit evaporates, the jobs are gone.

This type of investment decision making has always been an issue in New Brunswick. The strategy has always been “Sell our cost-benefit advantage to get jobs, get as many jobs as possible, and get them here as fast as we can”.

There is no shortage of jobs keeping younger people in New Brunswick from the wilds of Alberta or elsewhere. The problem is that the jobs aren’t as high-paying nor do they offer the long-term career stability. If the province truly wants to change things they need to focus less on the region’s “cost-benefits” and more on niches that make it a preferred choice asset-wise as opposed to cost-wise.

If India can service customers in an in-bound call-centre more cost-effectively, then the industry in NB needs to focus on developing specialized administrative expertise (i.e. insurance underwriting, pension administration, or investor support services) not relying on cost-benefit. If China can manufacture things for a lower cost the province should focus on scarce natural resources desired globally but plentiful in NB’s backyard (i.e. Potash, Natural Gas, or related minerals).

Finally, if NB already has established companies with global reach, the province needs to help them grow to keep existing jobs local and create more jobs (i.e. getting a second refinery for Irving, helping Moosehead expand into more global markets, or seeing Assumption Vie acquire more insurance customers nationally).

The point of my post was that it is refreshing to see news of such investment starting to take shape in Saint John. However, this ongoing historical reliance on “cost-benefit” to move jobs to the province simply isn’t a sustainable strategy anymore.
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 5:05 PM
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We'll have good news soon with Fundy Quay - a topic truly relevant to "skyscraper forum".
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 5:50 PM
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We'll have good news soon with Fundy Quay - a topic truly relevant to "skyscraper forum".
I did a Google search for 'Fundy Quay' and came across a PDF. That development looks really nice! I'm assuming it's not started yet so hopefully it'll get going soon.

http://www.sjwaterfront.com/documents/FundyQuayRFP-FINAL.pdf
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 6:24 PM
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The less call centres the better
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 6:48 PM
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I know it's not the kind of jobs we ideally want to have, but there are a lot of people that benefit from these. At this point I hate to see any kind of job go really..
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 10:09 PM
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I'd love to see the business faculty of UNB develop something on Fundy Quay. Also would love to see the high rises in keeping with the Purdy's Warf concept in Halifax. Something iconic is needed in such prime locations
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2013, 10:19 PM
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I'd love to see the business faculty of UNB develop something on Fundy Quay. Also would love to see the high rises in keeping with the Purdy's Warf concept in Halifax. Something iconic is needed in such prime locations
Someone slipped that its going to be a mixed use building, which tend to be taller. Makes sense to have land wise and financially to have a smaller footprint and go taller.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2013, 1:14 AM
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Someone slipped that its going to be a mixed use building, which tend to be taller. Makes sense to have land wise and financially to have a smaller footprint and go taller.
When discussing Fundy Quay I don't like hearing building (as in singular). We've been lead to believe that there will be more than one building on the Fundy Quay site and at least one with considerable height (10+ storeys). I am interested to see what we'll have as a proposal given the teasing and promotion we've been given thus far.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2013, 3:08 AM
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Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves here. Someone on this board also had inside knowledge of IBM losing a contract and massive lay offs but I don't think that happened. Lets just wait and see for sure - who knows maybe they are moving to a cheaper location like PrEdSq
There are some employees with term notices for the end of March, don`t know the full impact though.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2013, 3:29 AM
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Lets not get too far ahead of ourselves here. Someone on this board also had inside knowledge of IBM losing a contract and massive lay offs but I don't think that happened. Lets just wait and see for sure - who knows maybe they are moving to a cheaper location like PrEdSq
They did lose a contract, the Phillips contract will not be renewed.

By the way, this news was also in the Telegraph.
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Old Posted Mar 7, 2013, 5:25 AM
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They did lose a contract, the Phillips contract will not be renewed.

By the way, this news was also in the Telegraph.
I work in that office and only 4 employees were let go. The seats are already being filled with hires from the Q1 Labs acquisition which are much higher paying jobs.

As other stated, lets wait until we have real data.
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2013, 5:25 PM
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I noticed on the weekend that it looks like Irving is building more rail line spurs across the causeway - looks like a huge new section of crushed gravel has be laid down. Not sure if this is new or has been there for a while and I just didn't notice?
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 12:55 AM
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So... the Fundy Quay update will be released in April? I am wondering how much details are confirmed thus far.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 2:17 AM
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My friend says it appears WalMart is adding on to store - building out where garden centre used to be. Can anyone confirm this? Appears they are driving piles.
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2013, 11:33 AM
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My friend says it appears WalMart is adding on to store - building out where garden centre used to be. Can anyone confirm this? Appears they are driving piles.
Actually, I posted photos of construction activity on the Saint John retail forum in the link below:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=203789&page=5
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2013, 10:54 PM
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I noticed on the weekend that it looks like Irving is building more rail line spurs across the causeway - looks like a huge new section of crushed gravel has be laid down. Not sure if this is new or has been there for a while and I just didn't notice?
I walk past this most days all winter. It has not changed much in a while. Took this on the way home today. There is a large pad to the right of the existing tracks but the way the existing track is laid out I don't think more is planned. Hard to fit more switches in. Further right out of this image there is a bank or retaining wall but I believe the purpose is to keep any possible contamination out of the bay in the case of a spill.

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Old Posted Mar 17, 2013, 3:04 PM
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Thanks for the update - goes to show how observant (or not) that I am!
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2013, 3:27 AM
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I noticed that they have been renovating the old Crown Street Downey's location, anyone know what they are converting it to?


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Old Posted Mar 18, 2013, 12:01 PM
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I noticed that they have been renovating the old Crown Street Downey's location, anyone know what they are converting it to?
I seem to recall someone earlier in this thread saying it was being renovated for a different car dealer? I honestly don't know.
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