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Old Posted Jun 10, 2016, 2:30 AM
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The system increases rents because is reduces construction, creating scarcity.

Buildings charge what the market will bear. But they only get built when they're better investments than other planned buildings.

So construction reduces until it causes scarcity, which pushes rents back up, which gets construction going again though probably at a lower volume.

I agree that a more generalized tax is better. That wouldn't avoid disincentivizing supply.

Back to the Seattle example, one thing we do well is a voter-approved property tax levy that raises $16,000,000 per year for affordable housing. Non-profit builders use most of this, and they build a lot with it. This November we'll vote on a renewal at double the volume.
I likely wasn't very clear on what I was disagreeing with.

But now that I've read for detail It's making a little more sense. The impact fees are to be modest and they'll have a $/SF gross that's different for each type of development ie. office, hotel, retail, residential etc. Not a fan of impact fees but they seem set on doing it.

What makes the most sense is an increase in property taxes; Denver's are very reasonable anyway. But that will currently be limited to only 1 mill which they can do w/o a vote. It will be on ALL city/county property so a nice broad tax which is what I prefer.

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Hey, at $750 per square foot I can probably afford a whole bedroom!
Go for a studio as you get the kitchen thrown in for free!
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155 Steele: 155 condos coming to Cherry Creek:


Man when everything under construction and in active planning is built and occupied, that's a lot of additional density in Cherry Creek. I suppose completed Union Station/Riverfront will still be denser, as is Capitol Hill, but that will give us those three areas of very high density development.

Now if there were a transit link between downtown and Cherry Creek. I still think the City should look at a "free shuttle" a la the 16th Street mall. Hell, Cherry Creek commercial entities might even pay something to subsidize a free shuttle from Downtown to the Mall, even if its only every 30 minutes.
     
     
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Wow. A gay couple front and almost center of the rendering for the St. Francis housing project. It's appropriate though for Capitol Hill and since it's backed by the Episcopal church. All good.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2016, 9:22 PM
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Wow. A gay couple front and almost center of the rendering for the St. Francis housing project. It's appropriate though for Capitol Hill and since it's backed by the Episcopal church. All good.
Yeah, double income, no kids. That's why they are looking at it from across the street. Single income folk are all going to be living in shelters in a few more years.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2016, 10:03 PM
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Yeah, double income, no kids. That's why they are looking at it from across the street. Single income folk are all going to be living in shelters in a few more years.
I think shelters could be a viable long term play for increased density in Denver. Perhaps some minor upgrade to the communal showers as well as allowing day time access to the premises. Low income hipsters determine to enjoy the "green" life in Denver, as well as government workers could find these as real options to consider.


     
     
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Sea Huts in City Park might also be a way to go.

     
     
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Hey, at $750 per square foot I can probably afford a whole bedroom!
The average sold price per foot in all of 80202 is like $400/ft. Easy to find stuff much less in 80202. Anyone buying a condo though should probably just wait a year or two...
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^ I personally don't think prices are going to budge in a couple of years due to the fact that we still aren't building any affordable / semi-affordable condos. Simple supply and demand economics tell me that if your demand is still high and your supply is even lower, prices are still going to go up...


Anyways... Add this to my 'that project came out pretty nice' list:

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^ I personally don't think prices are going to budge in a couple of years due to the fact that we still aren't building any affordable / semi-affordable condos. Simple supply and demand economics tell me that if your demand is still high and your supply is even lower, prices are still going to go up...
Perhaps demand will subside before supply catches up. It's been seven years since the last market low, the US is due for another recession in the next couple of years. Hiring numbers have really slowed down this year, which could be foretelling. Although it doesn't look all that likely right now, interest rates moving upward in the future would take pressure off real estate being such a popular place to invest since there's basically no yield in the fixed income market. And a condo litigation fix would be a godsend, so we could see a lot of these new apartment buildings being converted later on this decade.
     
     
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Stormy Monday Blues

"How Lower Downtown Denver Went From LoDo to BroDo"
TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 2016 AT 12:43 P.M. BY CHRIS WALKER

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LoDo was actually Denver’s first neighborhood, established by General William Larimer Jr. in 1858 after the discovery of gold at the confluence of Cherry Creek and the South Platte River. Before that, the area had been inhabited by Native Americans, including the Arapaho tribe.
So 1988 was the critical year?
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The reason that some of these buildings still exist is because in March 1988, after more than a century of economic booms and busts, Denver City Council enacted a zoning ordinance that gave the neighborhood historical-designation status, officially changing its name to the Lower Downtown Historic District...
So how did we end up with LoDo exactly?
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...around the same time, it acquired the catchy “LoDo” nickname, and Lodo District Inc. was established in 1989 to promote businesses and revitalization in the area. The nickname was invented by Dick Kreck, then a columnist for the Denver Post, who used it in some of his articles.
Chris Walker has a very good 'n fun feature piece in Westword that's more about old buildings than new but it does have numerous "then and now" photos too. Takes me back to my El Chapultepec days. If you have some extra time it's well worth the read, especially if you're not a "newby" or if you enjoy a little history with your Java.
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Stormy Monday Blues

"How Lower Downtown Denver Went From LoDo to BroDo"
TUESDAY, JUNE 7, 2016 AT 12:43 P.M. BY CHRIS WALKER


Stock photo via Westword

So 1988 was the critical year?

So how did we end up with LoDo exactly?

Chris Walker has a very good 'n fun feature piece in Westword that's more about old buildings than new but it does have numerous "then and now" photos too. Takes me back to my El Chapultepec days. If you have some extra time it's well worth the read, especially if you're not a "newby" or if you enjoy a little history with your Java.
It's amazing seeing the pics of Denver in the late 1970s early 80s after the Armageddon of the Skyline Project. A city leveled. Empty. Ghost town. I'm old enough I'm remember being downtown then. And in LoDo when the viaducts were there but before the revival. Going for my first beer at Wynkoop in around 1988 and wondering who the hell would put a bar in the worst part of town (Answer: the future mayor and governor).

The transformation still astounds me even though I see and live it every day.

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As long as the housing inventory stays like this, which for the foreseeable future they will barring a natural disaster or terrorism event, housing prices aren't going anywhere but up for the next 2-3 years.


http://www.coloradorealtors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CAR-Colorado_Metro_MMI_2016-05.pdf
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As long as the housing inventory stays like this, which for the foreseeable future they will barring a natural disaster or terrorism event, housing prices aren't going anywhere but up for the next 2-3 years.
Generally speaking, yes. Demand-supply imbalances are usually the overriding factor, a fave of mine actually. But things can get complicated; it feels like things are getting more complicated. Affordability, for example, is a legitimate demand factor.

It appears that the start-up craze is ebbing; it's more the lack of 2nd stage financing that I suspect is the biggest issue. Fortunately, many companies are still growing at a solid pace.

What is impressive is how strong development/construction is nationally as well as locally. It's now spread into secondary markets. For example, Des Moines IA has two ~30 story downtown apartment or mixed use towers being proposed for the 1st time in 30 years. The boom in Utah has been so strong that the state is losing its affordability edge that once attracted companies to its educated workforce. But with unemployment now so low along with rising costs companies are passing for the next place. Boise anybody?

While I see no signs of any potential recession it is certainly possible to see a dropoff in continued expansion. Whether anything looks appreciably different is six months... stay tuned is all I can suggest.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2016, 4:38 PM
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Although it doesn't look all that likely right now, interest rates moving upward in the future would take pressure off real estate being such a popular place to invest since there's basically no yield in the fixed income market. And a condo litigation fix would be a godsend, so we could see a lot of these new apartment buildings being converted later on this decade.
Despite the one recent weak jobs report overall the employment landscape continues to tighten and wages are heading higher even if modestly. An increasing number of employers, including small businesses, are reporting difficulty in finding qualified employees. That would seem to be a sign that rates will drift higher.

Ironically, the 30-year average for fixed-rate mortgages has recently fallen to a 3-year low. Call it 3.75%.

Looking around the bend however I foresee more waves of retail closings. The "Amazon effect" is real and growing. I expect more older suburban malls and strip centers to be closed creating a redevelopment opportunity in some cases. The Aurora Mall comes to mind in Denver. Many Denver area malls have already been redeveloped.

Inflationary pressures are building driven by the turnaround in crude oil prices. rising housing costs and wages. That would normally indicate higher interest rates.

The pending bugaboo is Brexit but nobody knows what the impact would be. Uncertainty always makes markets nervous though.

With respect to potential alternative yields it's worth noting that developer's ROI is being squeezed by higher costs, notably land and labor costs. Additionally the supply side is reaching an oversupply in many urban markets even if modestly.
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That is impressive.

"Denver among nation's leaders when it comes to new hotel construction"
Jun 14, 2016 by Ben Miller - Denver Business Journal
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According to hotel research company STR Inc., there were 2,966 hotel rooms under construction in Denver last month, up from 1,829 under construction in May 2015... which indicates there are more than 44,000 hotel rooms in the Denver market. ... the 2,966 rooms under construction in May ranks Denver No. 8 in the country...
I can think of 5 hotels currently under construction in the greater downtown area - not including Cherry Creek.
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Anyways... Add this to my 'that project came out pretty nice' list:

Gables Speer Boulevard

I definitely do agree. Given the odd lot siting of this admittedly visible property I think they did a respectable job as your photo aptly shows. The lines of the building are broken up nicely and the color variation is tastefully done. I'm also reminded of the complaints of boring rectangles. Well here you go.

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It's amazing seeing the pics of Denver in the late 1970s early 80s after the Armageddon of the Skyline Project. A city leveled. Empty. Ghost town. I'm old enough I'm remember being downtown then. And in LoDo when the viaducts were there but before the revival. Going for my first beer at Wynkoop in around 1988 and wondering who the hell would put a bar in the worst part of town (Answer: the future mayor and governor).

The transformation still astounds me even though I see and live it every day.
Yes, seeing the many "then and now" photos helps to remind how astounding the transformation has been and it was all brought home on a glorious Tuesday evening.

A Tuesday night game at Coors Field was no deterrent as 46,335 fans showed up to watch a not unusual slugfest game between the NY Yankees and the Colorado Rockies. Fortunately, the Rockies prevailed in a 13-10 win. During one of the pitching changes in the top of the 8th inning the camera showed a spectacular view of the downtown skyline. Between the excitement of the game and that amazing skyline I dang near wet myself.
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