Canadian Airport Thread II

[Nicko999]

Originally Posted by Nicko999

ADM is looking for ways to waste their time instead of making sure things aren't complete CHAOS this summer at YUL. I just cannot wait to see the lineups. At its peak, it was about an hour lineup by car. Have to think it will be even more this year.

Little update as I was driving on highway 20, towards downtown the other day. Sunday, around 4PM.
As I drove by the airport, surely enough I saw a lineup of cars forming before they even had reached the exit for YUL (westward). It's only early June so I do feel bad for people traveling July/August.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by MountainView

I do agree though, that St Hubert should be in their name... or even "Montreal - Longueuil". Perhaps "Montreal - South Shore", but they would have to have a French and English version of their name.

Originally Posted by Myst

I would agree that Montreal St. Hubert or Montreal South Shore would be a better name.

I think that's basically what YHU needed to do to avoid this mess.

Both of these airports played this the wrong way I think.

YUL went overboard with the lawsuit (mind you they did try and solve this without a lawsuit). YHU, on the other hand, should have known that droping "St. Hubert" from it's title would have ruffled a few feathers.

Besides, I think keeping the St. hubert name is important and part of the history of that airport. It is one of the oldest airports in the country after all. It has been around since 1927.

It's also the first airport in Canada to get a control tower (1939). In fact, NavCan celebrated the control tower's 85th anniversary last month.

https://www.navcanada.ca/en/news/blo...niversary.aspx

[Calfan12]

WestJet Calgary YYC - Seoul Incheon (ICN), South Korea 1st inaugural flight for S24 season is today Friday May 17 2024 and operated by Boeing 787-9 and 3x weekly service.

It's also the 1st time (since end of 2019 when Air Canada previously operated to Tokyo Narita, (NRT) Japan & Hainan Airlines to Beijing Capital (PEK),China) that YYC has had 2 flights ✈️to Asia on the same day.

As WestJet YYC - Tokyo Narita NRT, Japan operates as well on Friday May 17.

[Dominion301]

AC are restoring some YOW capacity this winter: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...852536163.html

YWG & YYC return to year-round service daily
YVR keeping the 789 all winter
YHZ returning to 3x daily (on PAL) - was a mere 1x daily last winter
YQB increases to daily year-round
MCO increasing from 2x to 4x/wk
FLL increasing from 4x to 6x/wk
TPA increasing from 1x to 2x/wk
CUN and PUJ increasing to 4x/wk each

[Justanothermember]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

AC are restoring some YOW capacity this winter: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...852536163.html

YWG & YYC return to year-round service daily

This has to be due to Porter's growing market on these routes, and in YWGs case, also due to WS having established YWG-YOW year-round. Lots of competition here now.

I am a bit surprised that there is no effort from AC to restore YEG-YOW however. I would have though this to be a route AC believing is lucrative and wanting to pursue once more.

[MonctonRad]

Regarding YHU. This destination map exists on their website, showing the Canadian destinations they hope to be serving next year:



Some of the dropped pins are misplaced. I mean, Kingston ON - WTF!!!

Not all of these destinations will be served by Porter. Some will be PASCAN or other smaller regional carriers.

[HamAviMech]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Regarding YHU. This destination map exists on their website, showing the Canadian destinations they hope to be serving next year:



Some of the dropped pins are misplaced. I mean, Kingston ON - WTF!!!

Not all of these destinations will be served by Porter. Some will be PASCAN or other smaller regional carriers.

That's interesting placement for the Kingston Pin. It's either dropped in the wrong spot or it's supposed to be Hamilton. Which would be nice that something os planned for YHM bit I doubt it, as nothing seems be planned or announced by Porter to fly out of Hamilton.

[ScreamingViking]

Originally Posted by HamAviMech

That's interesting placement for the Kingston Pin. It's either dropped in the wrong spot or it's supposed to be Hamilton. Which would be nice that something os planned for YHM bit I doubt it, as nothing seems be planned or announced by Porter to fly out of Hamilton.

Is someone thinking that the "Brooklyn of Canada" is the "Kingston of the GTHA"?

[Myst]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Regarding YHU. This destination map exists on their website, showing the Canadian destinations they hope to be serving next year

Personally I tend to view airlines and airports that put out possible future route maps the same way - it’s not real until you can book it. Probably a better chance of most of that happening than most aspirational maps (terminal construction as evidence) but still aspirational until bookable.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

This has to be due to Porter's growing market on these routes, and in YWGs case, also due to WS having established YWG-YOW year-round. Lots of competition here now.

I am a bit surprised that there is no effort from AC to restore YEG-YOW however. I would have though this to be a route AC believing is lucrative and wanting to pursue once more.

I wonder if YEG-YOW is one of Porter's better performers on the E2. It was introduced long before YYC from YOW.

AC used to fly the YEG-YOW as a redeye on the A220 - a good use of the frame. It would turn to YYZ for the 7-8h rapidair run. The YOW-YEG was also late in the evening too, landing YEG around 23h. I think AC is short on A220s right now with engine issues, plus their focus on US markets with this plane is likely more lucrative for them.

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

This has to be due to Porter's growing market on these routes, and in YWGs case, also due to WS having established YWG-YOW year-round. Lots of competition here now.

I am a bit surprised that there is no effort from AC to restore YEG-YOW however. I would have though this to be a route AC believing is lucrative and wanting to pursue once more.

Maybe it was driven by PD's expansion but I don't think they are going head-to-head with them. We all know AC will not add any actual significant direct flights from YOW so I think this is more in response to Flair's and Westjet's retreat when it comes to the sun destinations. YOW is just a mere insignificant/unimportant spoke in their system and it will always be, so PD will win when it comes to capacity and number of route offerings overall.

In terms of domestic, I'm pretty sure AC realizes not being able to connect major Canadian cities together as the "flag carrier" is pathetic (now they just have to work on that in YEG). If AC wants to compete with PD in YOW, they will need to add direct options to new markets very soon to cater to pax like myself who values direct options and will pay premium for them, otherwise, it's just going to be a headache for them. Or they will need drop their pricing significantly for the penny pinchers like when they were offering YOW-YUL-CDG for a dirt cheap price of $380 return when AF started in YOW. No way in a million years is PD going to back off their hub operation and growth from YOW, kind of like a "we can do this the easy way or hard way" type of thing.

[Airboy]

Well I have my flight on Porter booked for August ot to TO. Nice having an inlaw working for Porter.

First flight east in about 6 years. All my flights the last few years have been west or north.

[thenoflyzone]

^ That's right.

It's funny, Vancouver has a ton of airports in/near the metro area, and could use a metro area code, but doesn't have one, and yet Edmonton has a metro code, but doesn't need one, since YXD closed a while ago.

You can search for codes (both airport and airline codes) here. Just type in the city name.

https://www.iata.org/en/publications...s/code-search/

[Dominion301]

For the first time since the 2000s YFB will see seasonal scheduled international air service this summer. Air Greenland will be starting a weekly GOH-YFB flight on a Dash 8 that will interline and provide same-day connections to/from YOW, YUL and YVR on Wednesdays.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...813618080.html

[Djeffery]

Flair Airlines Orlando (MCO) Winter Schedule

Route Frequency Start Date Starting Fare

Kitchener-Waterloo (YKF) - Orlando (MCO) Up to 3x weekly October 29, 2024 $94
Orlando (MCO) - Kitchener-Waterloo (YKF) Up to 3x weekly October 29, 2024 $44
Toronto (YYZ) - Orlando (MCO) Up to 12 x weekly December 16, 2024 $114
Orlando (MCO) - Toronto (YYZ) Up to 12 x weekly December 16, 2024 $54
London (YXU) - Orlando (MCO) 2x weekly December 20, 2024 $94
Orlando (MCO) - London (YXU) 2x weekly December 20, 2024 $59
Saint John (YSJ) - Orlando (MCO) 1x weekly December 22, 2024 $124
Orlando (MCO) - Saint John (YSJ) 1x weekly December 22, 2024 $59

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by Djeffery

Flair Airlines Orlando (MCO) Winter Schedule

Route Frequency Start Date Starting Fare

Kitchener-Waterloo (YKF) - Orlando (MCO) Up to 3x weekly October 29, 2024 $94
Orlando (MCO) - Kitchener-Waterloo (YKF) Up to 3x weekly October 29, 2024 $44
Toronto (YYZ) - Orlando (MCO) Up to 12 x weekly December 16, 2024 $114
Orlando (MCO) - Toronto (YYZ) Up to 12 x weekly December 16, 2024 $54
London (YXU) - Orlando (MCO) 2x weekly December 20, 2024 $94
Orlando (MCO) - London (YXU) 2x weekly December 20, 2024 $59
Saint John (YSJ) - Orlando (MCO) 1x weekly December 22, 2024 $124
Orlando (MCO) - Saint John (YSJ) 1x weekly December 22, 2024 $59

So as suspected F8 are flipping over to MCO to see if their abysmal Orlando loads will improve. Also as I figured, YOW would not come back even though the YOW route had some of the least bad loads. Between it and WS cutting YOW-MCO, even with AC restoring service to 2019 levels with the extra 2x weekly yesterday, that should pave the way for PD to add a 2nd daily next winter. Doing so would only slightly increase net capacity on the route.

[SignalHillHiker]

Checking out the route maps for our region. Lovely to see a line from St. John's to Europe again

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker

Checking out the route maps for our region. Lovely to see a line from St. John's to Europe again

Super happy for YYT! I feel like it's underserved and would be better suited as a pond hopping airport even though YHZ has a larger catchment. Feed it with YHZ, YOW, YUL, and YYZ on top of the western routes already available, it would be a great location for a quick TA mini-hub. Right now, not very many cities in the East can benefit from WS' offerings at YHZ, which is probably why the frequencies are low. AF from YOW to CDG frequently flies over YYT back and forth, so the geographical routing also makes sense.

[Coldrsx]

YEG had quite the new arrival yesterday.

[MonctonRad]

From the Halifax [Stanfield] thread in the Atlantic Canada section.

Originally Posted by q12

Condor's new A330-900neo makes it debut in Halifax today:



Frankfurt, Germany

Discover Airlines YHZ-Frankfurt 5x weekly A330 Resumes April 28
Condor Airlines YHZ-Frankfurt 4x weekly A330 Resumes May 18

London, UK
Air Canada YHZ-London Heathrow, UK Daily 737max8 Year-round
Westjet YHZ-London, Gatwick, UK 4x weekly 737max8 Resumes April 28

Iceland
Icelandair YHZ-Reykjavik, Iceland 3x weekly 737max8 Resumes May 31

Scotland, UK
Westjet YHZ-Edinburgh, Scotland, UK 3x weekly 737max8 Starts June 20

Dublin, Ireland
Westjet YHZ-Dublin, Ireland 4x weekly 737max8 Resumes June 19

YEG may have 2x weekly Condor to Frankfurt, but YHZ will have 4x weekly Condor to Frankfurt. Cripes, I'm starting to sound like q12!!!