NEW YORK | Penn Station / MSG Renovation

[manchester united]

The facility will also have an underground connection to the 34th Street-Herald Square subway station! Therefore also a direct link with the PATH!!!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by manchester united

The facility will also have an underground connection to the 34th Street-Herald Square subway station! Therefore also a direct link with the PATH!!!

That’s the thing that’s been held up waiting for the 15 Penn development. The underground connection is already there, it just hasn’t been opened in a few decades. Vornado is supposed to reopen and expand it. But now they are trying to determine if they want the connection at the current location, or move it to the south side of the block. I don’t know why we can’t have both.

[manchester united]

Originally Posted by NYguy

That’s the thing that’s been held up waiting for the 15 Penn development. The underground connection is already there, it just hasn’t been opened in a few decades. Vornado is supposed to reopen and expand it. But now they are trying to determine if they want the connection at the current location, or move it to the south side of the block. I don’t know why we can’t have both.

Will be this underground connection between Penn Station and PATH open 24/7? It would be very important!

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by manchester united

Will be this underground connection between Penn Station and PATH open 24/7? It would be very important!

Yes, Penn Station is open 24 hrs, and subway/PATH service will run as well.



NOVEMBER 2, 2022


Work continues on the LIRR 33rd St concourse...

[MAC123]

It's looking so good already

[manchester united]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Yes, Penn Station is open 24 hrs, and subway/PATH service will run as well.



NOVEMBER 2, 2022


Work continues on the LIRR 33rd St concourse...

Can the doubts about the construction of the 15 Penn Plaza skyscraper hinder the construction of the underground connection between Penn Station and PATH? I hope not!

[Busy Bee]

^ Whatever is bigger and more spacious, but.yeah theres no reason they couldn't restore a no nonsense Gimbels passageway AND build a new retail arcade passageway on the south side.

[NYguy]

I think they want to determine which option would better serve most riders, with the coming expansion to the south. Alternatives are in orange and red.

[mrnyc]

huh, i thought i had read facebook canceled plans to move to moyinhan, no?

guess they changed their mind.

btw its a very cool space, i went to an art show up there a few years ago, it runs all the way around the top of the building.

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

huh, i thought i had read facebook canceled plans to move to moyinhan, no?

guess they changed their mind.

btw its a very cool space, i went to an art show up there a few years ago, it runs all the way around the top of the building.

The move to 50 Hudson was put on hold I believe, as they evaluate space needs. They leased twice as much space spread over 3 of the new towers there, mostly at 50.

[Doubleu1117]

Are there any detailed plans on timetables oh what exactly they will be renovating? Everyday through Penn it's like a guessing game what they'll reveal or close off next.
The main corridor is looking fantastic, but is it known if the ceilings will be able to be raised in the cross section waiting areas by the tracks? I would imagine something will be done, wouldn't make sense to go from 18 foot ceilings right back to the 6 foot sections where the tracks actually are. Also seems like something will be done by the main 34th st staircase as they're constantly shuffling construction walls back and forth there.

I also saw one day they had a rendering hung up, it looks like they'll knock out the walls between the track staircases and replace with glass, so you can view the trains and tracks below like the lower level of Moynihan currently.

[NYguy]

^ The major renovations won’t begin until half the LIRR trains are moved to Grand Central Madison, which will be opening within the next couple of months. On a side note, I noticed today that they’ve just opened up another waiting area for the LIRR just past the underpass to Moynihan. I wasn’t expecting that. But small reveals like that are nice, and give more confidence in the improvements to come.

Took these earlier…

[mrnyc]

yeah there is absolutely no way path is not going to be in the mix. not a worry at all. it will be interesting to see what they choise to do exactly.

honestly, i am more interested in penn station expansion timing, renders and construction than any of these new or possible new buildings.

[TonyNYC]

Pretty Cool vision for a new Penn Station!


https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/this-n...s-are-made-of/

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by TonyNYC

Pretty Cool vision for a new Penn Station!


https://nypost.com/2022/12/03/this-n...s-are-made-of/

Under architect Washburn’s Penn Station plan, MSG would move out of the complex and be replaced by a classic building with a central towering atrium that inspires awe instead of horror

People need to stop with these fantasies. 2 Penn, which is currently growing, isn’t going anywhere. And neither is the Garden.

Pretty pictures though. Trains will still be stuck in the tunnel (or in Jersey). But lets draw up a fantasy based on something built in a different time for a different time.

[Busy Bee]

I've evolved on this. There was a time that i thought the best way to undo the injustice of losing Penn would be to spend a few billion to painstakingly recreate it without much regard as to how it functions for contemporary needs. A metaphorical cart before the horse. But you are right. As breathtaking as much of the original station was, it was in fact built primarily as a long distance hub and not a commuter hub shared with a significantly smaller long distance market. If we are still to dream and imagine a relocated MSG, which I disagree is as set in stone as you elude, I'd rather see an awe inspiring edifice from this era designed to perfectly function as we need it to with an eye towards future rail improvements that i wont get into, ehmm NEC true HSR ehmm. One thing i think would be extremely impressive though would be to meticulously recreate one interior element of the old station inside the new likely glassy envelope like the concourse on one end of the station.

[mrnyc]

and to add to that … he ain’t movin:


JAMES DOLAN'S REFUSAL TO MOVE MSG PUTS SNAG IN PENN STATION REPAIR PLANS
Who will come out on top?

By Jim Dolan
Friday, February 10, 2023


MIDTOWN, Manhattan (WABC) -- New York City, also known as the city that never sleeps, has the Garden that never moves ... or is it?

If there is one thing the current owner of Madison Square Garden, James Dolan, wants you to know, it is that he is not moving MSG any time soon.


more:
https://abc7ny.com/amp/james-dolan-m...rden/12793891/

[TonyNYC]

MSG Spokesperson at last Community Board meeting..

"sure we would def. consider moving if you give us W 32-34 and 7th Avenue to build a new MSG!

No such plans are being considered for MSG to move across the street on the Hotel Penn and other sites owned by Vornado.. but I like that MSG went on the offensive here.

It's as far fetched as it comes.. just can't see Vornado giving up those lots, but damn it would be a game changer for the rebuilding of Penn Station.

There was a visionary idea of MSG moving over to that side of 7th Avenue, but nothing more.

What does everyone think??


https://nypost.com/2023/02/25/madiso...reet-official/

[BK1985]

Originally Posted by TonyNYC

but I like that MSG went on the offensive here.

https://nypost.com/2023/02/25/madiso...reet-official/

How is that going on the offensive? Destroying the old Penn station wasn't enough so now he's floating decimating two more blocks, including the Gimbels skybridge.

[TonyNYC]

Originally Posted by BK1985

How is that going on the offensive? Destroying the old Penn station wasn't enough so now he's floating decimating two more blocks, including the Gimbels skybridge.

Under Vornado's plan to build PENN15.. that POS of a building by Lord Foster, the Gimbel's Bridge will be coming down.

Matter of fact the whole block will be coming down under Coumo/Hochul's Empire Station plan.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=...AAAAAdAAAAABAE