The Official Saint John, NB Project Thread

[kwajo]

Originally Posted by Seely32

You know what I kinda like it lol. We could be on the map with the most awkward skyline in north america and bring somemore tourists....with a nice observation deck it could work

I wouldnt mind if it was 16 or 17 stories or 6 or 7 bulildings at long wharf With some height to them.

I agree, it actually does look kind of appealing. It'd actually be great for the city because it might start a trend of building up, not out. I want us to build a vertical core like Vancouver, not continue to sprawl into the horrific East Side.

Oh and someone said that Moncton has space and that SJ doesn't have that luxury. I don't know whether they just meant Uptown (which is obviously true since SJ is on a peninsula), but overall Saint John is enormous in physical size, we have open space coming out of our ears.

[Seely32]

In regards to the smell I was having lunch with a lady who lives in Upstate New york and was saying she could not beleive the air quailty in this city the pulp mill won awards for changing its processing and how little it pollutes now it won a worldwide award in 2000 for helping the aquatic life on the reversing falls.

The oil refinery mind you its an economy booster but I have my own personal hate for the oil industry.

WIth Irving they can either make or break our city....And to be honest I dont mind having one of the worlds richest family on our backyard...does moncton???

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Seely32

does moncton???

no...sorry bout that post...I deleted it for a reason...Im trying to stay away from starting conflict...its pointless, SJ will always win and Moncton is crap

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

no...sorry bout that post...I deleted it for a reason...Im trying to stay away from starting conflict...its pointless, SJ will always win and Moncton is crap

I agree .....maybe we can grow into a mega city and have us meet in sussex.....one can dream.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Seely32

I agree .....maybe we can grow into a mega city and have us meet in sussex.....one can dream.

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by kwajo

I agree, it actually does look kind of appealing. It'd actually be great for the city because it might start a trend of building up, not out. I want us to build a vertical core like Vancouver, not continue to sprawl into the horrific East Side.

Oh and someone said that Moncton has space and that SJ doesn't have that luxury. I don't know whether they just meant Uptown (which is obviously true since SJ is on a peninsula), but overall Saint John is enormous in physical size, we have open space coming out of our ears.

Its me!!, Its not a luxury, Moncton get built bigbox crap due to the space availabitlity in downtown

Why Irvings get built all those projects ?

The facts are Irvings controls the medias and handles the political process as well, from this, they do what they want. The meaning of the democracy seem to be really relative for them. Oh yes, sometimes, they hold biased public hearings with preconceived results to expose their high transparency level. The best thing that could occur for the Saint John citizens would be that Irving become a public company...

Anyway,I really like Saint John but I really hate vertical integration ownership like Irving does

[nero1979]

I have heard rumors regarding that the new Irving building, is also going to accommodate offices for Repsol and the partner with the 2nd refinery. If this is true I could see 25-30 floors tops, which would nice regardless in my mind. Has anybody else heard this?

[Downtown Bolivar]

^^^Hmmm....wow! What's the current tallest in the Maritimes? No doubt the Irvings would love a landmark building, and not just a park, railroad, refinery, etc!

I think the Irvings enormous wealth stirs resentment and apprehension. They are big fish in a small pond. But what they've accomplished is nothing short of amazing. The only city I've seen dominated by one company so much is Corning NY, and Corning Glass. That domination has been largely beneficial...except in a downturn.

[GUB]

I'm quite sure the tallest building in the Maritimes is the Aliant building (Maritime Centre) in downtown Halifax.
The building is viewed rather negatively by locals/planners etc. due to its positioin which blocks the water-view from Spring Garden Rd. There is also a large wind-tunnel effect due to the building, not to mention the large shadow it casts.
Despite all the negativity associated with the building, I don't see all the fuss. It's a pretty prominent building, and if anyone else has ever been in the elevator, it provides a bomb-ass view of the city and harbour.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by Downtown Bolivar

^^^Hmmm....wow! What's the current tallest in the Maritimes? No doubt the Irvings would love a landmark building, and not just a park, railroad, refinery, etc!

I think the Irvings enormous wealth stirs resentment and apprehension. They are big fish in a small pond. But what they've accomplished is nothing short of amazing. The only city I've seen dominated by one company so much is Corning NY, and Corning Glass. That domination has been largely beneficial...except in a downturn.

The tallest is Fenwick Tower in Hailfax at 33 stories.

Whats the tallest in Saint John right now? If it is to much taller then any other buliding right now it woudl stick out like a sore thumb I would say 15 - 20 story buliding would blind in nicley.

[kwajo]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

The tallest is Fenwick Tower in Hailfax at 33 stories.

Whats the tallest in Saint John right now? If it is to much taller then any other buliding right now it woudl stick out like a sore thumb I would say 15 - 20 story buliding would blind in nicley.

Brunswick Square is the tallest at 19 (?) stories, but it is on the top of a hill, so if you built a 30-35 storey building on the waterfront, they would probably appear to be of similar height.

All indications are that the new Irving building would have Repsol offices as well, and if they are involved then this could be a very large building or group of buildings (Repsol is an enormous company, far larger than Irving will ever be).

[GUB]

You're correct Haliguy, in stating Fenwick as the tallest.
My instinct told me Fenwick, but I just thought the Mar. Centre because it is so much larger (width) than Fen.
The Aliant building is 21 storeys.
Was in Fenwick once, but not very high up.
Did you know they built a swimming pool on the upper-most levels, but when filling it up realized the building was not sound enough to carry the weight?
I find fenwick kind of cool, in a weird way.

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by GUB

You're correct Haliguy, in stating Fenwick as the tallest.
My instinct told me Fenwick, but I just thought the Mar. Centre because it is so much larger (width) than Fen.
The Aliant building is 21 storeys.
Was in Fenwick once, but not very high up.
Did you know they built a swimming pool on the upper-most levels, but when filling it up realized the building was not sound enough to carry the weight?
I find fenwick kind of cool, in a weird way.

Yeah there's all kind of stories about Fenwick..lol... I use to live on the 19th floor. Youcould feel the building move on a windy day. The Alaint building my actaully seem taller then 21 stories if you think about. On the Hollis street if you look at the hotel at the base of it you colud add another 5 stories on to it making 26 stories.

[Seely32]

Brunswick Square(80.8 metres) 19-story office building with 511,032 sq/ft which was built in 1980. It is the largest office building in New Brunswick in terms of square footage and second in Atlantic Canada behind the Maritime Centre in Halifax. It is tied with Assumption Place in Moncton for the highest.Fortis Properties

from wikipedia.


The hill that its on easily adds another 3 or 4 stories from the waterfront.

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Seely32

Brunswick Square(80.8 metres) 19-story office building with 511,032 sq/ft which was built in 1980. It is the largest office building in New Brunswick in terms of square footage and second in Atlantic Canada behind the Maritime Centre in Halifax. It is tied with Assumption Place in Moncton for the highest.Fortis Properties

from wikipedia.


The hill that its on easily adds another 3 or 4 stories from the waterfront.

Me and Halifaxmtl666 wrote that sentence. (he wrote the part about Brunswick Square and I added in the part about Assumption Place)

PS...Assumption Place is still the tallest in NB by number of above ground floors (20 vs 19)

[Haliguy]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Me and Halifaxmtl666 wrote that sentence. (he wrote the part about Brunswick Square and I added in the part about Assumption Place)

PS...Assumption Place is still the tallest in NB by number of above ground floors (20 vs 19)

Is Brunswick Sqaure larger than Pruddy'y Wharf tower II?

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by Haliguy

Is Brunswick Sqaure larger than Pruddy'y Wharf tower II?

Yes

Brunswick Square = 511,032 sq.ft.
Purdys Wharf II = 367,919 sq.ft.

Sources - GWL Realty
Fortis

[Varlik]

Fenwick is tallest but the number of floors is misleading because it is a residential building and residental floors are not as tall as commercial floors. Here's a good comparison of the buildings in Halifax

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?29846861

Regarding the photo of the crane beside the cruise ship, I watched it for a while at lunch time and it was used to replace a dish on the ship. The one they removed had a piece missing for some reason.

[Seely32]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Me and Halifaxmtl666 wrote that sentence. (he wrote the part about Brunswick Square and I added in the part about Assumption Place)

PS...Assumption Place is still the tallest in NB by number of above ground floors (20 vs 19)

Hopefully Irving will put us #1 in the maritimes. I would like a 40 story about 480 to 500 feet. Depending where its at on the hill and it wont stick out like a sore thumb. Brunswick square is about 250 and I would give it another 50 from the hill. So it could be a focal point and be easily built up around. High for our standards and not to high were it would look ridiculous. It could be a hieght that we could build to.

My only hope is that the nimby;s dont come out in full force. If they do I will be there fighting for the building whose with me

[GUB]

The Irving's are not exactly ostentatious.
I would be shocked if they were to build the tallest building in Saint John.
My bet is that they would intentionally build something shorter than the Brunswick tower, so as not to draw attention etc.