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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 6:48 PM
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Civic center transit district plan

http://www.rtd-denver.com/documents/CCTD_Master_Plan_Book_April2016.pdf

The final Civic Center district plan is out. It includes the locations of 6 priority infills for the district, one of which it looks like is already happening (the state office at Colfax and Lincoln).

They have the site at Colfax and Broadway slated for a boutique hotel, but it seems like they know this wont happen as most of the designs show the space as a basketball court.

There's also some interesting tidbits of the dynamics between these family owned parking lots and developers, and perceived challenges to implementing JV structures that have worked on the west coast.
     
     
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Denver's 4 city-wide plans kick-off today:

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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 7:11 PM
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They have the site at Colfax and Broadway slated for a boutique hotel, but it seems like they know this wont happen as most of the designs show the space as a basketball court.
Haha.

There are two approaches to the site. One is near-term and one is long term. The near-term is to deal with the site being a fenced detention pond post Civic Center reconstruction. It's unlikely that a major development will happen on-site right out of the gate, so the plan suggests an interim use through programmed activation. Basketball courts, beer gardens, music, pop-up restaurants, etc.

The long-term is development. Office is too 9-5 - you need something that activates the corner 18-24hrs. Residential and hotel are probably your best bets.
     
     
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That would be an interesting location for a hotel. Not sure how well that would work, but it would be unique.
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 9:06 PM
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It would definitely make all of the illicit activities that our lawmakers partake in much more convenient for them. I'd love to see a hotel with a a really stately and historic to match the courthouse on the opposite side of the mall. Something like this would be nice:


http://www.wsj.com/articles/sofitel-so-hotel-celebrating-gallic-design-in-singapore-1413470637
     
     
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 9:31 PM
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The Confluence is moving on up!

1/3 down, 2/3 to go!

Are you telling me that is 11 and 1/3 floors?
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 9:34 PM
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Nope, I completely agree, but the peanut gallery here on the forum likes to peal the doom bell every time something closes. I was actually referencing a feverish debate that happened on here when Saks was closing about how Denver couldn't support high-end retail, not anything that coincides with reality.
I'm certainly not pealing any doom bell and I wasn't on here when Saks closed. Some retailers, big and small, in CCN are crushing it. Luxury retail is very nuanced. But the numbers don't lie.
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Old Posted May 19, 2016, 9:43 PM
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I saw this in Denver Post, talking about the City of Denver's concern about "gentrification."


"What Denver officials, from the mayor on down, want to avoid is the unraveling of the historic, cultural and demographic identities of a community that results when residents are pushed out, he said."

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_29...trification-without-displacing-residents

Of course one person's gentrification, is another person's realization of a long term investment. A minority home owner in Highland who sells their home at 5 X what the paid for it 1985 might think gentrification a good thing.

Of more fundamental concern, though, is the apparent city policy, or at least desire, to preserve the "demographic identities" of the community.

Just think about that term.

What would happen if the mayors of Castle Rock, Parker, or Cherry Hills said they were "worried" that the "demographic identities" of those cities might change and that cities would actively adopt policies to discourage any changes? Wink. Wink.

I'll tell you what would happen, the US Justice Department would file a Civil Rights suit against those cities so quickly their heads would spin.

I understand concerns about affordable housing, and in my view, that's a legitimate issue for cities to consider and find ways to address. But preserving "demographic identities"? What a clever way for the city to openly pursue race/ethnic based housing agendas. If a city can properly say "we think this neighborhood should be predominately hispanic, and this neighborhood should be predominately black" there is no principled basis to prevent the same or another city from saying "in order to preserve its historical demographic identity, this neighborhood should be predominately white."


Ironically, many of the Denver neighborhoods that are being "gentrified" today, resulting in some displacement of lower income minority residents, were themselves once dominated by other ethnic groups (Highland and much of west/northwest Denver was once our "Little Italy") back in the day. If the City had preserved "demographic identities" in those areas 40 to 50 years ago they may never have become predominately hispanic neighborhoods in the first place.

The best way for Denver to help all of its residents is to focus on smart, sustainable growth that creates jobs and business opportunities for all its residents. Focusing on preserving historical racial and ethnic housing patterns is not a legitimate public policy objective.
Interesting Read: http://cityobservatory.org/truthiness-in-gentrification-reporting/

Also the book "The Great Inversion" to understand the issue on a higher level.
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Are you telling me that is 11 and 1/3 floors?
Approximately lol

It's between a third and a forth. My 4 hours of sleep math is not doing so hot today.
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We're No 19

Is this new news, or did I miss it earlier? Denver passed Detroit and El Paso to become no. 19. After we pass Seattle, which is only 2k more than Denver, we won't really get much bigger than 18 though for a long while. The next leap in size is well over 800,000. I can't find the link they had earlier that showed that for some reason.

Denver passes Detroit; now in nation's top 20 cities for population
     
     
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too bad we don't have Crapttle downtown buildings.
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Colorado's population rose by almost 102,000 people last year, but the state added only 25,143 new homes, condos and apartments to accommodate those newcomers, according to updated estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau.


http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_29...n-places-census-says-colorado-population
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Colorado's population rose by almost 102,000 people last year, but the state added only 25,143 new homes, condos and apartments to accommodate those newcomers, according to updated estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau.


http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_29...n-places-census-says-colorado-population

That's pretty amazing - so for all the boom in construction - in Denver's case, perhaps the greatest in the City's history - the message is there hasn't been enough construction. These numbers suggest that talk of a Denver bubble (see Colorado Real Estate Journal http://www.crej.com/news/negative-trifecta-coming-denver-market/) is for now premature.

We are only now reaching the level of construction in Denver that the metro area had in 2007!!

http://www.denverrealestatewatch.com/2016/02/10/housing-starts-jump-31-percent/.

The evidence if anything suggests under-building, not over-building. That of course can and certainly will at some point change. But from here, given the lead time for projects, that seems some years down the road. Of course a severe recession could always change things but as of today the "bubble" theory is hard case to make.
     
     
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Interesting Read: http://cityobservatory.org/truthiness-in-gentrification-reporting/

Also the book "The Great Inversion" to understand the issue on a higher level.
Great article. This point seems particularly true:

"Implicit in all these narratives is a strong crypto-segregationist impulse: Rich people ought to live with rich people, poor people ought to live with other poor people. Any thing that changes this status quo is suspect: If rich people move into poor neighborhoods we call it gentrification. If poor people move into rich neighborhoods, we call it social engineering. It’s difficult to see how this framing ever leads to a world in which there is less economic segregation."
     
     
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In addition to the new state population, the Census Bureau tabs Denver as the fastest growing (by percentage increase) large city in the country (credits to Seattle times).

     
     
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In addition to the new state population, the Census Bureau tabs Denver as the fastest growing (by percentage increase) large city in the country (credits to Seattle times).
I find Miami and Seattle's growth a little more impressive since those cities don't have any greenfield development in their boundaries. I doubt there are population estimates by zip code, but if that data did exist we could sort out how much of Denver's growth is occurring in the pre-DIA annexation brownfield city versus greenfield growth.
     
     
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Old Posted May 20, 2016, 3:08 PM
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Nice article on Denver development over at Politico, if a little over hyped in its headline suggesting the Airport Train "saved" Denver.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/what-works-denver-rail-system-growth-213905
     
     
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Denver and Seattle have always been neck and neck on pretty much every list.

I suspect Seattle will stay slightly ahead in the 2016 estimates, with roughly similar growth. The greenfield point is true, but Seattle's economy seems a little more supercharged right now vs. the slight oil-related cracks in Denver that might be turning great to only very good.

Both of us seem pretty impervious to a real fall right now, because so many economic sectors are doing well for us, such as the overflow we're both getting from San Francisco and the rise in tourism we're both seeing.
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