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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 11:33 AM
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As a testament to that, Paris has more than 2.2 million people in 41 square miles with far fewer highrises than you'd see in a U.S. city of its stature and standing. And the tallest one in city limits only being 210 meters (689 feet) with the next tallest at 137 meters (449 feet). Most are adjacent in separate highrise districts.
Exactly. And because Paris has such uniform street walls, (with height minimums) you still get a canyon effect and feel the density of the city. London, the same. Barcelona, etc.

I've written previously that I'd rather have twenty 10-20 floor infill buildings on surface lots, than 1 supertall because I'm more of a density fan, than a scraper fan.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 2:59 PM
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I wonder if, because Center City is so dense that buildings would have smaller foot prints but still push the height limits, or even, should be pushing the height limits. It's not like were going to spread out beyond Center City with it's density because there already exists urban fabric, neighborhoods, beyond Center City. A pretty unique Philly problem. It's not really a city where there is much room to spread out with out removing existing fabric. This is why I have such faith in 30th St Station development.
Basically, would building taller help to preserve?
Is there a section of Center City that the only height restriction that exists is market demand?
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 3:33 PM
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I wonder if, because Center City is so dense that buildings would have smaller foot prints but still push the height limits, or even, should be pushing the height limits. It's not like were going to spread out beyond Center City with it's density because there already exists urban fabric, neighborhoods, beyond Center City. A pretty unique Philly problem. It's not really a city where there is much room to spread out with out removing existing fabric. This is why I have such faith in 30th St Station development.
Basically, would building taller help to preserve?
Is there a section of Center City that the only height restriction that exists is market demand?
I'm not a zoning expert, but I think the answer to your last question is no. Even with CMX-5 zoning, Max. FAR will eventually impose height limits. Probably a more academic issue than a real one. It can afford for very, very tall buildings under appropriate circumstances. Probably taller than we're likely to build. I'm not really following the rest of the post or what exactly you're pondering.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 3:40 PM
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 3:48 PM
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I wonder if, because Center City is so dense that buildings would have smaller foot prints but still push the height limits, or even, should be pushing the height limits. It's not like were going to spread out beyond Center City with it's density because there already exists urban fabric, neighborhoods, beyond Center City. A pretty unique Philly problem. It's not really a city where there is much room to spread out with out removing existing fabric. This is why I have such faith in 30th St Station development.
Basically, would building taller help to preserve?
Is there a section of Center City that the only height restriction that exists is market demand?
Not sure what you are asking. I am all for imposing height minimums though. I think any building proposed for Market Street or Broad Street should be, at a minimum, 10 stories, with it's front at the sidewalk.

I HATE that the Comcast Center is setback from JFK, for example, that's a missed opportunity for a unified street wall.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 4:20 PM
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I HATE that the Comcast Center is setback from JFK, for example, that's a missed opportunity for a unified street wall.
Interesting take. To me, the JFK streetwall is pretty shitty anyways. You have 2 full Commie Blocks from 18th to 20th street - just brutal and ugly - plus the ass-end of Penn Center - also super ugly - so it's not like this is some epic Haussmann style Boulevard that Comcast is upending. Plus, on the 1700 block - a portion of it is setback for the Melon bank podium anyways. On top of that, Comcast sits on the Arch street wall to the north and the resulting sheer affect on that narrow street isn't that spectacular.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 4:22 PM
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Comcast setback creates a great public gathering space in that area. Perfectly executed
     
     
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^ Agree. Works well on a wide Boulevard. The Comcast arrangement on JFK reminds me of Park Ave. or Avenue of the Americas.
     
     
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I'm not a big fan of setbacks, but the Comcast Center's is one that I can digest easier. The public space in front of the Comcast Center is pretty nice, especially during things like Center City Sips. Also, I believe that the only reason the Comcast Center is set back so far from JFK is due to the ex-PRR Regional Rail tunnel that leads into Suburban Station. The tunnel is one reason why the JFK wall is so shitty (at least on the north side).
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I'm not a big fan of setbacks, but the Comcast Center's is one that I can digest easier. The public space in front of the Comcast Center is pretty nice, especially during things like Center City Sips. Also, I believe that the only reason the Comcast Center is set back so far from JFK is due to the ex-PRR Regional Rail tunnel that leads into Suburban Station. The tunnel is one reason why the JFK wall is so shitty (at least on the north side).
hadnt even thought of that
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 5:19 PM
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Also, I believe that the only reason the Comcast Center is set back so far from JFK is due to the ex-PRR Regional Rail tunnel that leads into Suburban Station. The tunnel is one reason why the JFK wall is so shitty (at least on the north side).
Makes sense. I still hate setbacks.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 5:25 PM
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Not sure what you are asking. I am all for imposing height minimums though. I think any building proposed for Market Street or Broad Street should be, at a minimum, 10 stories, with it's front at the sidewalk.

I HATE that the Comcast Center is setback from JFK, for example, that's a missed opportunity for a unified street wall.
I think Comcast is more like an obelisk and think the set back works well. One of the few places I would say that.

Perhaps "requested" height minimums, incentives, particularly around transit and especially Market Street. I see a lack of available properties that will really be a factor in a decade or so. I hate to see prime real estate wasted on some mid size project. I hope they keep the Disney Hole vacant until an appropriately sized project is presented. I know there's no way to control that, or is there? We need to make the most of build-able spaces. There exists such a balancing act between old and new here. Some manipulation to keep the balance. Big incentives to build taller in a central core district along the Market Street Corridor and at transit stations and more height restrictions most everywhere else.
The Delaware Waterfront plan, for instance, there are areas that towers make sense and some place where they don't. In some form encourage towers in one area and discourage them in areas. The existing plan seems to well thought out and shouldn't be tampered with. The Penn's Landing development proposal is great.
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Old Posted Jun 16, 2017, 6:43 PM
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Finally, noticeable progress! I guess cranes will be at a standstill for awhile?
Engineers strike? That's too bad.
I'm glad this project is actually more balanced and/or shorter. It will accent the river projects, and not really obstruct skyline views that much.
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Finally, noticeable progress! I guess cranes will be at a standstill for awhile?
Engineers strike? That's too bad.
I'm glad this project is actually more balanced and/or shorter. It will accent the river projects, and not really obstruct skyline views that much.
I don't know much about an engineer strike but the delay to build up on this might be because they are removing the center of the building and building it anew.
     
     
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2017, 7:37 PM
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Philadelphia- National Treasure City

Not sure if this is the right thread for this but Philadelphia has just been named the first entire city as a National Treasure. Story: http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/...hia-is-a-national-treasure-20170615.html

I'm not sure this is a good thing. Seems like another layer of obstruction against development. This group who proclaims these "National Treasures" is a small private group, and their pronouncement does not have the force of law, but I am sure it will be used against the city more than it will be used for it.
     
     
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These designations are great but Philly doesn't need to just be a relic of the past. Forward thinking global cities don't dwell in the past so much as look towards the future. A healthy combination of both is obviously ideal.
     
     
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Not sure if this is the right thread for this but Philadelphia has just been named the first entire city as a National Treasure. Story: http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/...hia-is-a-national-treasure-20170615.html
I hope it's the right thread, because I posted the same article earlier in this thread in post #8216.
     
     
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Some shots from around town over the weekend.

New Armark Building




Washington Ave condos under construction


The new Wawa on South Street


A large project I came across in Manuta


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Old Posted Jun 19, 2017, 4:36 AM
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Wawa coming to ground floor of East Market complex apartments
Updated: MAY 16, 2017 — 1:04 PM EDT

Wawa Inc. will open what will be its fifth Center City convenience store at the East Market residential, retail, and office complex between 11th and 12th Streets on Market Street.

Other retail tenants at the East Market development include Iron Hill Brewery & Restaurant, Mom’s Organic Market and furniture chain Design Within Reach.

http://www.philly.com/philly/business/re...-market-complex-apartments-20170516.html
That's great news, considering that Wawa left its old location at 11th and Arch St nearby the Chinatown bus terminal. Just a block away to get a hot Wawa hoagie and a trip to NYC!👍🏾
     
     
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Riverfront townhouse project near SugarHouse sold to NY developer

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A New York-based development team has acquired a 19-townhouse project along a strip of riverfront land facing the southern edge of Penn Treaty Park in Fishtown, near SugarHouse Casino.

Gotham Bedrock LLC paid $7 million last week for the 1.5-acre property between North Delaware Avenue and the Delaware River near Marlborough Street, George Polgar, a spokesman for seller Penn Treaty Views LLC, said in an email.

The property at 1143-51 N. Delaware Ave. has permits for construction of the row of four-story townhouses, most of them 3,800 square feet, designed by Philadelphia-based Abitare Design Studio, Polgar said.

Gotham Bedrock, led by principals Alex Halimi and Saul Mazor, plans to begin developing the site immediately, he said.
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