Winnipeg Jets - Page 411

BlackDog204 · #**8201** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 2:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

...then trade away all of Helly, Dubois and Scheif...maybe one or two more. Even if they make it into the playoffs, these players are almost certainly not going to sign extensions in Winnipeg.

Trading away Hellebuyck is the most bone-headed thing the Jets can do. Yeah, let's bring back Pavelec to replace him!!!

esquire · #**8202** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 2:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Scheifele is not only a selfish, uninspired hockey player, he is also a hypocrite.

Spewing his biblical garbage, while sleeping around like an alley cat.

BlackDog204 · #**8203** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

n/m about Scheifele's vices. People can figure that out for themselves. ,

Oilkountry · #**8204** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 5:09 AM**

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

...then trade away all of Helly, Dubois and Scheif...maybe one or two more. Even if they make it into the playoffs, these players are almost certainly not going to sign extensions in Winnipeg.

What makes you think helly wants out? Trading him would be like trading mcdavid. Not easy to find a franchise goaltender. 55 has to go. I think everyone can see thats coming. The core of the Jets needs to be torn apart. Wheeler PLD and 55 need to be traded this off season

Build the team around morrisey,ehlers and connors

BlackDog204 · #**8205** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 5:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Oilkountry

What makes you think helly wants out? Trading him would be like trading mcdavid. Not easy to find a franchise goaltender.

Precisely.

Hellebuyck has literally carried this team on his back since 2019. Do the people who want Helle gone, rather the Jets be a bottom feeding team for the past 5 years?

When people seriously state that the jets would be better off trading Hellebuyck, I can see why Winnipeg #1 on players no-trade list (aside from the obvious).

Imagine if the Jets had won the McDavid draft lottery in 2015. It would not be surprising for some Jets fans to want him gone, since "he has not let Winnipeg to a Stanley Cup" yet.

Some people just like complaining for the sake of complaining.

Kinguni · #**8206** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 11:19 AM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Scheifele is not only a selfish, uninspired hockey player, he is also a hypocrite.

He hasn't been the same player since that 4 game suspension, arguably unjustified, 2 years back in the playoffs. He has generally seemed angry and his play nowhere near what it was that season. He needs to go.

GreyGarden · #**8207** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 1:07 PM**

I completely agree ^. It is bizarre. The 4 game playoff suspension is a turning point when I think of Scheifele’s career.

bomberjet · #**8208** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 1:24 PM**

I see the convo went well after yesterday's game! lol

bomberjet · #**8209** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 1:25 PM**

Hellebuyck is a UFA. Jets should do everything they can to sign him, 100%.

Like I mentioned before. He's said that he will only sign with the team if he likes the direction that the team is going. As of right now, the team is going downhill. If he's not going to sign, he must be traded. Just like Dubois.

Scheifele play is curious. He'll likely be a 40 goal scorer this year. But plays extremely inconsistent. The whole teams play is curious. Lazy mixed with the flashes of brilliance.

esquire · #**8210** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 1:28 PM**

I think it's pretty clear at this point that the Jets have gotten as far as they're ever going to get with this core. This season played out worse than it would have had the Jets just stunk from the get go because a) expectations shot up dramatically after the Jets got off to a good start, and b) the fool's gold start to the season robbed the Jets of a chance to get a top first round pick that could have altered the future of the franchise.

Last summer I would have been reluctant to consider parting with Scheif and company but at this point, the longer that Cheveldayoff delays blowing the whole thing up, the more time that is being wasted.

pspeid · #**8211** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 2:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by esquire

Last summer I would have been reluctant to consider parting with Scheif and company but at this point, the longer that Cheveldayoff delays blowing the whole thing up, the more time that is being wasted.

I agree.

Biff · #**8212** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 3:30 PM**

At this point I am hoping against them making the playoffs. I don't want them to get in and have ownership say they we are close and do some tinkering.

That won't work. They need a significant rebuild. A fresh GM would be a good start as well. I am not a Chevy hater like some, but everyone has an expiry date and he has been here long enough with only one conference final in 12-13 years....and only 5 playoff appearances.

As I have said before, if they had run the table at the end of the season here I might have bought into the theory that they are back on course and could make some noise in the playoffs. Last nights loss to Calgary just solidified that they are a flawed team that needs fixing.

optimusREIM · #**8213** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 3:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by Biff

At this point I am hoping against them making the playoffs. I don't want them to get in and have ownership say they we are close and do some tinkering.

That won't work. They need a significant rebuild. A fresh GM would be a good start as well. I am not a Chevy hater like some, but everyone has an expiry date and he has been here long enough with only one conference final in 12-13 years....and only 5 playoff appearances.

As I have said before, if they had run the table at the end of the season here I might have bought into the theory that they are back on course and could make some noise in the playoffs. Last nights loss to Calgary just solidified that they are a flawed team that needs fixing.

I mean, last night's game wasn't really bad game though, that's the thing. They looked hungry and put on a good solid effort. You probably want more out of your guys for sure, but they didn't look completely listless like the stretch post allstar break to a couple weeks ago. I thought the team even played decently well during a good amount of games that they should have come away with wins from. That said, slow starts, faceoff losses, and literally all of our best players going cold for two months hurt us bad. It's a dressing room issue, get rid of the cancer.

They still have the potential to surprise us in the playoffs, but the team hasn't looked totally comfortable with itself since fall 2018.

bomberjet · #**8214** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 4:21 PM**

Jets looked okay at the start. But when Calgary exerted some pressure, they folded like a cheap tent. Guys like Zadorov and Lucic pushed them around.

rrskylar · #**8215** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Jets looked okay at the start. But when Calgary exerted some pressure, they folded like a cheap tent. Guys like Zadorov and Lucic pushed them around.

The Jets Bantam sized D (Dillon and Samberg aside) got manhandled by the Flames!

Jets top 6 didn't want seem to want to compete!

WinCitySparky · #**8216** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 5:48 PM**

Bring back the Eaton’s building! lol

prairiedog007 · #**8217** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 7:38 PM**

LOL

BlackDog204 · #**8218** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 10:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by bomberjet

Hellebuyck is a UFA. Jets should do everything they can to sign him, 100%.

Like I mentioned before. He's said that he will only sign with the team if he likes the direction that the team is going. As of right now, the team is going downhill. If he's not going to sign, he must be traded. Just like Dubois.

Can you provide a source for Hellebuyck's comments.

Personally, I would keep Helle until the trade deadline next year, and only trade him as a last resort. Who do the Jets have to replace him Arvid Holm? If we trade Helle, our greatest need- by far, will be a starting goalie. And if we trade goalie for goalie, we will end up with a far inferior goalie, so get ready for a return of the Pavelec days.

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Scheifele play is curious. He'll likely be a 40 goal scorer this year. But plays extremely inconsistent. The whole teams play is curious. Lazy mixed with the flashes of brilliance.

We should have traded him last season. He was mentally checked out, and in his exit interview, he acted as he did not care. with two years at just over 6 million/season, we could have gotten a much greater return.

BlackDog204 · #**8219** Posted **Apr 6, 2023, 10:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

The Jets Bantam sized D (Dillon and Samberg aside) got manhandled by the Flames!

Jets top 6 didn't want seem to want to compete!

Most of us had no idea that losing Buff would have such a negative effect on our team. He was arguably the most intimidating player in the league, and would have ate Lucic for breakfast.

dmacc · #**8220** Posted **Apr 7, 2023, 1:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Most of us had no idea that losing Buff would have such a negative effect on our team. He was arguably the most intimidating player in the league, and would have ate Lucic for breakfast.

The worst part for the team was that he was lost for nothing and so abruptly. His loss amounted to no picks, no player, and no cap room to reinvest. The year he didn't return was a lost year because you lost a top pairing D man with no opportunity to replace him because he still took up cap space.