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Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper
I have never said once that everyone would find these soul crushing but, I have given data that these units and city planning policies average out as less than desirable places to live. There's record dissatisfaction among new Canadians living in Toronto and global residential planning policies would never allow widespread over 20 FSI without significant densities transfers. You found the 60 FSI Bloor Street supertall human filing cabinet too close to The One but still gave a thumbs up. You continue with the faith based narrative that people must like them and I'm the one imposing personal biases and not you. Next you'll say those planning polices are grounded in NIMBYism than based on quality of life studies.
Once again, you're completely off on another tangent. This isn't a question on height or population densities. This is a question of built densities and their architecture and logistics. Height is mainly for skyline enthusiasts or measuring dicks. Comparing population densities is a skewed understanding that more people will revitalise a shithole and not planning policy. Like the economy reliant on more and more people buying crap but, all that crap is also destroying the planets ecosystems.
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First of all, you're the one who brought up height and population densities, not me. You literally said, "Height and population junkies may rejoice" as if that was the only thing anyone would appreciate about the proposal and i replied to set the record straight that this isn't true and explained some of the positives that have nothing to do that that.
Second, regarding the claim that, "I have given data that these units and city planning policies average out as less than desirable places to live." I have not seen any such data. It's certainly possible that new-comers are less satisfied now than in the past but I haven't seen any data showing that, if true, that housing density plays any significant role. There are plenty of other much more obvious possibilities including things like high cost of living, stagnant wages, low housing availability, traffic congestion, and increasing anti-immigration sentiments.
Third, you literally just said, "Just because the 10,000s of absolutely soul crushing units built in Toronto and the rest of Canada...". That was just today in the post I was responding it. So I'm not sure how you can forget it that quickly. Calling them absolutely soul-crushing clearly implies that "soul crushing" is an inherent trait of all these thousands of units themselves rather than just the reaction of some people who don't like them.
Forth, there's no such thing as "Global planning policies." The field of planning differs from country to country and even between regions within countries. For instance, when I interviewed a planner based in London Ont. as part of my planning program. I was surprised when he commented on how different planning is even in different parts of Canada while being significantly different than other countries he visited. And a central, perhaps most important, aspect of planning is recognizing context. We're taught not to make such absolute, universal statements like "this level of density is wrong". It's always a matter of considering the individual site and weighing the pros and cons based on many considerations.
And of course, the elephant in the room is that planners don't set density limits (or enact other policies for that matter). Planners make recommendations that governments accept or reject, fully or in part. And it isn't uncommon for governments not to accept all the recommendations. So there are many policies in place because that's what governments, typical municipal, have chosen to implement. Not because planners said those policies are good or necessary. So if a certain policy is common that doesn't necessarily mean planners have endorsed it, and if it's uncommon that doesn't mean planner oppose it. Well that's the case in Canada at least. But as I said, planning varies greatly around the world. In fact, one of the things we're warned about is that governments don't always follow advice and don't always enact good planning policies so we have to be prepared for that and not easily discouraged.
Also, simply observing something in real life and acknowledging what you've observed is not "faith" People do chose to buy and rent units in dense housing. I made it very clear in my prior post that I wasn't claiming everyone liked them. I was claiming that they chose to live in them rather than choosing not to. Perhaps because they like the unit or perhaps they thought it was the best option for some other reason. Hence my comparison to winter (which was very important btw).
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