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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 3:05 AM
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I can't get over the change in Kitchener! I can't think of another metro in NA like it.
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The LRT has really changed things...
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 3:59 AM
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Yeah, it's completely transformed in the last 10 years. Those images blow me away.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 4:57 AM
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I can't get over the change in Kitchener! I can't think of another metro in NA like it.
Thank Conestoga College and their Indian int'l students
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 5:27 AM
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Thank Conestoga College and their Indian int'l students
What do international students from 1 specific country have to do with changes in the built form of KW? Demand for living space? If so, data shows the majority of population increase is due to Torontonians re-locating to KW not students and not Indian students specifically. Do you have a link supporting your contention?

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So your position is that you're opposed to the growth of KW? The urbanization and intensification of KW is a good thing imo. KW has made huge strides the last 6-7 years.
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Sorry but, Tiny overpriced condos in densely packed towers in downtown Kitchener is adding skyline but, hardly quality urbanity. International students are the targeted market for these buildings. Population growth is a transient quantity than quality as these units work as students but, these aren't adequate to settle down and make a life here after school.

Canadians are tired of international students destabilizing housing markets . The proof is in the response by the Trudeau government.

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Well, the government's response is certainly evidence that they believe they can placate the public by blaming international students. But it certainly isn't proof that public perceptions are correct. Governments often make decisions based on public pressure or perception, and scape-goating is very common. The idea that government decisions are themselves proof that their decisions are correct, or that them bowing to public pressure is proof that the public was correct is... interesting.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2024, 6:42 PM
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It doesn't matter whether the people are right or wrong. Their will is all that matters.

Are we really saying 600,000 more students in less than ten years all needing housing didn't have an impact on the Waterloo Region or small towns in Eastern Canada with stable populations and high home ownership and small apartments markets. Toronto is too complex. A place like Charlottetown is alot easier to determine the 0% apartment vacancy.
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It doesn't matter whether the people are right or wrong. Their will is all that matters.

Are we really saying 600,000 more students in less than ten years all needing housing didn't have an impact on the Waterloo Region or small towns in Eastern Canada with stable populations and high home ownership and small apartments markets. Toronto is too complex. A place like Charlottetown is alot easier to determine the 0% apartment vacancy.
My intention wasn't to debate the causes of the affordability crisis again but simply to point out that the government decision in no way proves the correctness of any theory about its causes. Certainly no more than say, their decision to increase immigration rates or accept more international students proved that those increases were necessary at the time. You can just as easily imagine a pro-immigration person at the time proclaiming, "I've been saying all along that Canada's problems require greater population growth and more immigration. The Trudeau government's decision to increase immigration rates proves that I was right!"

But really, decreases in affordability are often too complex everywhere to be distilled down to one or two simplistic factors. While housing costs vary across the country and the western world as they always have, the least affordable places generally remain least affordable and pretty much every part of the country (and other affluent western countries) is struggling with increased housing costs. And that transcends the presence of any one or two simplistic factors. If you watch media from other places you'll see people in the US, UK, etc. also complaining about a housing affordability crisis as much as we are. One of my favourite Youtube channels which happens to be UK based just did a nearly hour long deep dive into their housing crisis. So I guess our foreign student numbers must be higher than I realize for even them to be affected.
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Old Posted Mar 18, 2024, 11:35 AM
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What I said was who gives a shit if the people are right or wrong. The only reason to make a post of it is that you vehemently disagree with their assessment.

The causes and solutions for affordability are hardly as complex as you make it out to be. The will just isn't there as it will cause a huge economic correction. It's suicide.
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massive changes from when I lived in Vancouver (94-98).
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Just want to reiterate this photo because it definitely deserves more attention. This is a suburban skyline of less than 80,000 people. Can anyone name another city or suburb of the same size that even comes close?
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River shmriver. All the buildings are the same height, I can't tell which city this is, the one on the St-Lawrence or the one on the Rideau?
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River shmriver. All the buildings are the same height, I can't tell which city this is, the one on the St-Lawrence or the one on the Rideau?
It will be interesting to see how the skylines of Ottawa and Montreal progress over the coming decade. Ottawa has far fewer restrictions on it's skyline, just some specific protected viewplanes. Montreal has a blanket restriction on it's core at 200m or so based on relation to Mont Royal. Ottawa has a far taller building proposed than Montreal allows (900 Albert T1) and no restrictions on further proposals outside of the protected viewplanes.
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