HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #801  
Old Posted Aug 11, 2023, 1:27 PM
OTownandDown OTownandDown is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,422
Could we not have just bought an old communist sculpture from the eastern block and plunked it down with one of those laminate interpretive boards that NCC loves? Maybe somewhere behind the war museum on the river?

Edit: #41!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #802  
Old Posted Aug 11, 2023, 10:13 PM
kwoldtimer kwoldtimer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La vraie capitale
Posts: 24,193
Quote:
Originally Posted by Username69 View Post
Even better ... why not just ask JT to put a statue of himself there?
I'd rather see JT push through the PET Federal Court Bldg, if he's planning to leave a legacy.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #803  
Old Posted Oct 18, 2023, 10:04 PM
Harley613's Avatar
Harley613 Harley613 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Aylmer, QC
Posts: 6,740
Ground broke in May 2018. 5.5 years later, working only two hours per month, Terry and Jerry have almost finished this one.

__________________
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.harleydavis/
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #804  
Old Posted Oct 19, 2023, 1:23 AM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 25,063
Hallelujah.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #805  
Old Posted Oct 19, 2023, 3:18 PM
pattherat pattherat is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Posts: 156
What was the cost again? Was it 6M?

Imagine getting the contract for that. Take 5 years to build a concrete pad and lay some landscaping. Job done!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #806  
Old Posted Nov 7, 2023, 6:19 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 12,869
The unveiling of the controversial, $7.5-million Memorial to the Victims of Communism is delayed — yet again
The Canadian government has quietly postponed the planned November inauguration to a date TBD in 2024

Randy Boswell, Ottawa Citizen
Published Nov 07, 2023 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 7 minute read




The Canadian government has quietly postponed the planned November unveiling of the controversial, $7.5-million Memorial to the Victims of Communism, now essentially completed at a fenced-off site along Wellington Street in downtown Ottawa.

A statement posted at a government website for the project on Oct. 18 said that “although the Memorial to the Victims of Communism – Canada, a Land of Refuge was scheduled to be inaugurated by the end of 2023, the Government of Canada is doing its due diligence to ensure all aspects of the memorial remain compatible with Canadian values on democracy and human rights.”

The statement from the Department of Canadian Heritage also indicated the Liberal government remains “committed to completing this project” which was initiated by the Conservative government of Stephen Harper in 2008 and originally expected to be in place more than a decade ago.

The long-delayed memorial “will be inaugurated in 2024, at a date to be selected in consultation with the main proponent of the project, Tribute to Liberty.”

The memorial has been the focus of multiple controversies over its exact purpose, location, size and cost over the last 15 years. The price tag for the project has ballooned to an estimated $7.5 million — including $6 million in public funds — from an original budget of $1.5 million funded entirely with private donations from Tribute to Liberty, the charitable organization the driving force behind the monument.

“Arc of Memory” is a four-metre high, 21-metre-long sculptural installation, made from 4,000 bronze rods mounted on 365 steel fins in two sections or “wings”. Each of the 365 fins points at a unique angle of the sun every hour of every day. According to an official description of the project, “the memorial would be split in the middle at winter solstice, the darkest day of the year, inviting visitors to step through in a metaphorical journey from darkness and oppression to lightness and liberty.”

It appears to have been finished for weeks and work crews have largely completed the landscaping around the site immediately west of the Garden of the Provinces and Territories along Wellington Street and in the shadow of Christ Church Cathedral.

The latest postponement comes in the wake of the embarrassing tribute paid in Parliament in September to Yaroslav Hunka, an elderly Ukrainian-Canadian veteran who fought with a Nazi SS unit in the Second World War and later immigrated to Ontario.

The humiliating blunder, which took place in the presence of visiting Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, cost Liberal MP Anthony Rota his position as Speaker of the House of Commons and reverberated around the world — even feeding into Russian President Vladimir Putin’s warped narrative that his country’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine was launched to “de-Nazify” Zelenskyy’s nation.

Concerns that the Memorial to the Victims of Communism could honour certain Nazi-linked individuals from wartime Europe — where nationalists in many regions resisting Soviet occupation were integrated with Nazi forces — had previously been raised over some donations made to Tribute to Liberty.

Recent concerns

In 2021, CBC published a report by independent journalist Taylor C. Noakes that revealed donations had been made “in honour of known fascists and Nazi collaborators” such as wartime Croatian leader Ante Pavelić, who headed a Nazi puppet state that controlled part of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia during the Second World War, and Nazi collaborator Roman Shukhevych, leader of the nationalist Ukrainian Insurgent Army and perpetrator of war crimes.

Pavelić is blamed for the deaths of tens of thousands of Jews and Romani and hundreds of thousands of Serbs in the Balkans during the Holocaust because of his regime’s enthusiastic collaboration with Nazi Germany in committing genocide against targeted populations.

Shukhevych has also been branded a war criminal for directing the massacre of tens of thousands of Poles during a Second World War frenzy of ethnic cleansing in Eastern Galicia along the Ukraine-Poland border.

The 2021 revelation about Tribute to Liberty donations in honour of Pavelić and Shukhevych prompted Nazi hunter Efraim Zuroff, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem, to warn in the CBC story that “if Canada commemorates Ante Pavelić or Roman Shukhevych, it can throw its human rights record in the trash.”

In a 2022 article published in the academic journal Memory Studies, York University scholar Daphne Winland — author of a book about the Croatian diaspora community in Canada — reflected on the challenges faced in commemorating victims of communism in the former Yugoslavia.

“The links forged by Croats with other diasporas in Canada collaborating on a memorial in the nation’s capital dedicated to victims of communist regimes, I argue, is a strategic move to help reinforce the legitimacy of historic grievances against socialist Yugoslavia. More importantly, the memorial aids in the effort to gain recognition in Canada for Croats as victims of communism,” writes Winland.

“Nonetheless, the contested legacy of the role of Croats in atrocities in Yugoslavia during World War II continues to generate negative publicity for the memorial and its supporters . . . Since its beginnings, the monument has raised concerns among journalists, historians, politicians and others about the historical complicity of some of the memorial’s supporters with fascist regimes.”

Turbulent history

The idea for a national memorial to victims of communism was sparked in 2007 during a visit by former federal Conservative cabinet minister Jason Kenney to Masaryktown, a private nine-hectare park in Scarborough, Ont. owned by Toronto’s Czech and Slovak communities. The future Alberta premier, then the federal secretary of state for multiculturalism in the Harper government, was visiting the site with Pavel Vosalik, then the Czech ambassador to Canada, when the two encountered a monument on the park’s grounds and began discussing the need for a more high-profile memorial.

Titled Crucified Again, the Scarborough monument depicts a man crucified on a hammer and sickle, symbolizing Soviet oppression. The memorial had been unveiled in 1989 to honour the millions who had suffered or died at the hands of communist regimes throughout the world.

Kenney went on to nurture the planned memorial with Eastern European as well as Asian and African diaspora communities in Canada, whose members came from countries with a history of communist oppression. From the outset, Kenney’s involvement in the project raised concerns among some observers that the memorial push was a partisan scheme being used by the federal Conservatives to shore up electoral support among the diaspora communities involved.

The initiative was seen to be in keeping with the minister’s broader — and increasingly successful — mission to help his party wrestle votes away from the Liberals, who had traditionally counted on strong support from Canada’s immigrant populations.

At the time, it was noted that more than eight million Canadians could trace their origins to countries with a history of oppressive communist rule.

Initial plans for a monument of massive proportions to be built in a prime location next to the Supreme Court of Canada sparked an outcry from a wide range of detractors, who questioned the Harper government’s motives and said the chosen site had long been earmarked for a future justice building.

The project became mired in a series of other controversies, and at one time was slated to be built where the National Holocaust Monument was unveiled in 2017 at a site east of the Canadian War Museum.

After the 2015 election of federal Liberal government, it was announced that a scaled-down version of the memorial would be built at a less prominent site next to the Garden of the Provinces and Territories. In the 2021 federal budget, an additional $4 million was committed to the ensure the completion of the monument.

In late 2019, when work finally began at the site, Tribute to Liberty’s Ottawa-based chairman Ludwik Klimkowski told the Citizen he was “profoundly moved” that construction was underway at last.

“It’s a reflection of the diversity of Canada that we’re always talking about,” Klimkowski said at the time. “You have Vietnamese Canadians, Koreans, Tibetans, Chinese … all building this memorial together with Ukrainians, Poles, Czechs, Cubans and people from Africa. It’s a delightful reflection of Canada.”

Government reviewing “all aspects of the project”

Construction is being overseen by the National Capital Commission. An NCC spokesperson referred questions about the postponement to the Department of Canadian Heritage.

In response to an inquiry seeking further information about the postponement, a department spokesperson said government officials are now “reviewing all aspects of the project” before next year’s unveiling.

The review will “address any concerns with the project, including the names to be inscribed on the Wall of Remembrance,” said Caroline Czajkowski, spokesperson for the Department of Canadian Heritage. “Names of individuals, groups or events were provided by donors to Tribute to Liberty, the proponent of the project. It is important that all aspects of this monument remain compatible with Canadian values on democracy and human rights.”

According to the Tribute to Liberty website, donations of $1,000 or more to the project entitle donors to have the name of a victim of communism inscribed on the memorial’s Wall of Remembrance and included in a “virtual Pathway to Liberty” at the group’s website. Larger gifts, such as $100,000 or more, also entitle donors to inscriptions on a plaque at the memorial site.

The main spokesperson for Tribute to Liberty did not respond to a request for comment about the postponement of the unveiling.

Randy Boswell is an Ottawa freelance writer and a journalism professor at Carleton University.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...ayed-yet-again
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #807  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 12:23 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 12,869
Victims of Communism memorial could damage Canada's reputation if Nazi collaborators included in those being honoured: documents
The memorial is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Nov 21, 2023 • Last updated 11 hours ago • 5 minute read


The Victims of Communism memorial to be unveiled in Ottawa next year has the potential to damage Canada’s reputation and cause tensions with foreign governments if Nazi collaborators are inadvertently honoured on the monument.

The warnings from Canadian diplomats in 2021 foreshadow some of the criticism the federal government faced in September when MPs gave two standing ovations to a Ukrainian Canadian veteran who served in Hitler’s Waffen SS. That move was met with international ridicule and anger.

The Victims of Communism memorial is supposed to honour those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance, which will allow 600 names of individuals, groups or events to be listed.

But concerns have been raised by Jewish organizations that names of eastern Europeans who collaborated with the Nazis in the Holocaust have been put forward in an attempt to whitewash their past.

Government officials have already identified some individuals who served with the Waffen SS among those names submitted, according to the federal documents obtained by this newspaper under the Access to Information law. Other alleged Nazi collaborators associated with the memorial have also been identified by the Department of Canadian Heritage, but the exact number is censored from the records.

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/natio...ured-documents
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #808  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 12:44 PM
kwoldtimer kwoldtimer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La vraie capitale
Posts: 24,193
A gift to the nation that just keeps on giving ...
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #809  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 1:18 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 25,063
Why is it so hard for people to understand both Communism and Fascism are bad. Or Hamas and the Israeli Government (not to be confused with the Jewish religion) are bad. So many people pick an extreme nowadays.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #810  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 1:19 PM
Kitchissippi's Avatar
Kitchissippi Kitchissippi is offline
Busy Beaver
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 4,456
Quote:
Originally Posted by kwoldtimer View Post
A gift to the nation that just keeps on giving ...
Just imagine if this had been built beside the Supreme Court where the Harper Government™ wanted it to be!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #811  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 4:38 PM
OTownandDown OTownandDown is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 1,422
Is the sculpture opaque? Looks like a solid metal wall with solid metal flange/waves? Wasn't the point of this thing to let sun through and create a shadow? What a fail.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #812  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 6:16 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 25,063
Quote:
Originally Posted by OTownandDown View Post
Is the sculpture opaque? Looks like a solid metal wall with solid metal flange/waves? Wasn't the point of this thing to let sun through and create a shadow? What a fail.
Here's a better image from Wikipedia of all places.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memori...munism_(Canada)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #813  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 6:19 PM
zzptichka zzptichka is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 1,933
I'm curious, does it actually work as a sun calendar like it's supposed to?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #814  
Old Posted Nov 22, 2023, 6:46 PM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 25,063
Quote:
Originally Posted by zzptichka View Post
I'm curious, does it actually work as a sun calendar like it's supposed to?
At that price, I certainly hope so.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #815  
Old Posted Nov 24, 2023, 7:33 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 12,869
Victims of Communism memorial doesn’t mention those killed in Laos, North Korea; also missing key Korean war battle: documents
The Canadian government quietly postponed the planned November unveiling of the monument, now essentially completed at a fenced-off site along Wellington Street.

David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Published Nov 24, 2023 • Last updated 5 minutes ago • 3 minute read


A key Korean War battle fought by Canadians has been left off the Victims of Communism memorial as well as any mention of the tens of thousands who died in Laos and millions in North Korea, Canadian diplomats warn.

The Victims of Communism monument, to be inaugurated in Ottawa in 2024, is supposed to be a memorial to those who suffered under communism and will include a wall of remembrance to list names of individuals, groups and key events.

The memorial is already facing scrutiny after concerns were raised that alleged Nazi collaborators who participated in the Holocaust would be honoured on the monument.

But in 2021 officials from Global Affairs Canada questioned why a key Korean War battle fought by Canadians wasn’t included. In addition, while events in Vietnam are highlighted, the victims of communism in Laos are ignored by the memorial, according to emailed warnings obtained by this newspaper under the Access to Information law.

<more>

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/natio...ttle-documents
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #816  
Old Posted Dec 1, 2023, 7:54 PM
zzptichka zzptichka is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Outaouias
Posts: 1,933
The podium has already cracked. Yikes.

Reply With Quote
     
     
  #817  
Old Posted Dec 1, 2023, 8:16 PM
SL123 SL123 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,532
Quote:
Originally Posted by zzptichka View Post
The podium has already cracked. Yikes.

Lol! But also that podium has probably already seen 2-3 winters by now
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #818  
Old Posted Dec 1, 2023, 11:32 PM
kwoldtimer kwoldtimer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La vraie capitale
Posts: 24,193
Quote:
Originally Posted by SL123 View Post
Lol! But also that podium has probably already seen 2-3 winters by now
OK then, the crap concrete has cracked after only 2 or 3 winters.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #819  
Old Posted Dec 2, 2023, 1:06 AM
J.OT13's Avatar
J.OT13 J.OT13 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 25,063
For concrete that has never been walked on, and probably never salted, it's pretty bad.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #820  
Old Posted Dec 2, 2023, 1:08 AM
Harley613's Avatar
Harley613 Harley613 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Aylmer, QC
Posts: 6,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by J.OT13 View Post
For concrete that has never been walked on, and probably never salted, it's pretty bad.
Wait until the parking lot where Nepean Point used to be gets a little time and wear on it
__________________
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/the.harleydavis/
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 4:52 AM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.