AUSTIN | Waterline | 1,034 Feet | 73 Floors | T/O

[shoreditch]

The more I look at it, the more it looks like a Lake|Flato-type building, which I usually love.

This thing is gorgeous. Really hope it gets built 'as-is'

[The ATX]

It's 1,021 feet according to the original source at HAIF. Urbannizer asked him to clarify the height.

[the Genral]

Does that even look like its 1000 feet tall??

[KevinFromTexas]

Where is it saying/showing that there would be a 2nd tower? If we're thinking it's the building to its right in the birdseye view rendering, then that's actually Quincy next to it.

EDIT: Nevermind, The ATX clarified it.

[We vs us]

I love the podium, TBH -- that it fills most of the lot, and curves along the shape of Waller Creek, is really just cool. it's a building in its own right. But gotta be honest -- the rest of the tower is really jarring. The angles are slightly off, and some of the building edges slope down or up for no real reason. The effect isn't interesting, it's macabre, like in a fun house.

Interestingly, in the view that looks west from I35ish, you can see that there's a bit of an echo of the Independent's disjointed chunks. I wonder if there's a specific point/counterpoint thing the architect's trying to pull off.

[resansom]

Love the location, love the height, love certain design aspects of it - but, I'm sorry, the overall impression is a mess, if not outright fugly. Maybe it'll grow on me, and I would be OK with it even if it's built with zero changes, but I hope there are some major design revisions to come, before construction begins. Maybe it's a good thing that we're in a bit of a slowdown as it may give them a chance to re-think the final design before the first spade of dirt is overturned...

[the Genral]

Originally Posted by resansom

Love the location, love the height, love certain design aspects of it - but, I'm sorry, the overall impression is a mess, if not outright fugly. Maybe it'll grow on me, and I would be OK with it even if it's built with zero changes, but I hope there are some major design revisions to come, before construction begins. Maybe it's a good thing that we're in a bit of a slowdown as it may give them a chance to re-think the final design before the first spade of dirt is overturned...

Agree, AND...the pinnacle of the crown is an interesting place to put a pipe organ. I can't say I'm a big fan of the brick pattern, and its hard to get a floor count or the scope of the height when the floors are sectioned off 2 floors at a time. Like 6X, this is another tower stacked on another tower. Only this is a bit more obvious with the 70 Rainey stilt thing going on, twice. I'm not a hater by any means, its just....when we talk about this monumental milestone, our tallest building in Austin, this is what we'll be talking about. That being said, if I can like 405, I'll probably learn to like this too. Whether or not it gets built, at least we are still getting new proposals and renderings. It keeps things interesting.

[Sigaven]

Originally Posted by the Genral

Agree, AND...the pinnacle of the crown is an interesting place to put a pipe organ. I can't say I'm a big fan of the brick pattern, and its hard to get a floor count or the scope of the height when the floors are sectioned off 2 floors at a time. Like 6X, this is another tower stacked on another tower. Only this is a bit more obvious with the 70 Rainey stilt thing going on, twice. I'm not a hater by any means, its just....when we talk about this monumental milestone, our tallest building in Austin, this is what we'll be talking about. That being said, if I can like 405, I'll probably learn to like this too. Whether or not it gets built, at least we are still getting new proposals and renderings. It keeps things interesting.

I find the tower on top of tower building typology to be an interesting 21st-century solution that Austin could spearhead as its downtown grows taller. It keeps the building busy 24/7 by mixing up the uses - residential, office, hotel. The programs are visually and physically broken up by those grand "sky lobbies" that have great outdoor amenity spaces with incredible views. And in this day and age where office space may be less desired in the coming years as more people opt to work from home, it may be the only way tall towers are built in the future. I say keep 'em coming.

[N90]

When The ATX mentioned that someone on HAIF brought this up, I was trying to contain my excitement thinking someone found an earlier project or a conceptual rendering or something.

Then I saw the post by Paco Jones on HAIF and being familiar with his work I almost fainted because this is real. Very fucking real.

[N90]

I live in Atlanta and we don't get tall buildings here. We get short highrises and midsize highrises at best. We don't get things like Texas Tower (Houston), 6XG (Austin), and this.

Our best towers are the cutesy and pretty short ones. Great for what they are but they lack any kinda height that can get one excited. The only "tall" towers we hear about here are fake projects that don't exist or the ones the city built over a decade or many decades ago.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=14009

But Austin? Austin's different. I like it, I'm moving to Austin in February.

[urbancore]

Originally Posted by N90

I'm moving to Austin in February.

welcome.

check out the Zilker neighborhood. its the best! no bias here!

[The ATX]

Originally Posted by urbancore

welcome.

check out the Zilker neighborhood. its the best! no bias here!

[Nickelplate]

This site is cursed. Vignette? 21C? How many iterations of Waller Park Place? Now this one...for the record I wouldn't throw this proposal out of bed in the morning. Call me when they start digging.

[Riverranchdrone]

Originally Posted by N90

I live in Atlanta and we don't get tall buildings here. We get short highrises and midsize highrises at best. We don't get things like Texas Tower (Houston), 6XG (Austin), and this.

Our best towers are the cutesy and pretty short ones. Great for what they are but they lack any kinda height that can get one excited. The only "tall" towers we hear about here are fake projects that don't exist or the ones the city built over a decade or many decades ago.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=14009

But Austin? Austin's different. I like it, I'm moving to Austin in February.

Atlanta has a very unusual downtown. It seems very stretched out and long. Welcome to Austin. Check out my youtube page. https://www.youtube.com/user/partyboyrrock . The group I am in we just released a video on the Mueller area and in the next few days we will be releasing a new video based on South Congress.

[the Genral]

Originally Posted by N90

I live in Atlanta and we don't get tall buildings here. We get short highrises and midsize highrises at best. We don't get things like Texas Tower (Houston), 6XG (Austin), and this.

Our best towers are the cutesy and pretty short ones. Great for what they are but they lack any kinda height that can get one excited. The only "tall" towers we hear about here are fake projects that don't exist or the ones the city built over a decade or many decades ago.

I must be thinking of a different Atlanta, the one with the BoA Plaza, my overall favorite, SunTrust Plaza, One Atlantic Center, Peachtree Tower, and another favorite because its round, the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, plus almost forty, 400+ towers, eleven of which are over 600'. I've been to Atlanta and because of that one visit, I love the downtown skyline, food, sports teams and the State of Georgia in general. So I have to assume you were presenting, tongue in cheek. You have a ton of skyscrapers that I consider signature towers and can only wish we had more of here. Glad to have you moving here, in fact proud you chose here, but don't look in your rearview mirror when you leave Atlanta, you might decide to stay. I would be happy with ANY one of your top ten over this proposed tower. If we are drooling over the design because its a super tall, its like me going to a football game because I love football, but don't really care for either team playing like when my wife makes me take her to a Longhorn game. It lessens the enthusiasm somewhat. I can't root for this tower because it so tall, but I won't shoot it down either. Its just not what I envision our first and maybe only supertall should look like. Just me I suppose.

[N90]

Originally Posted by the Genral

I must be thinking of a different Atlanta, the one with the BoA Plaza, my overall favorite, SunTrust Plaza, One Atlantic Center, Peachtree Tower, and another favorite because its round, the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, plus almost forty, 400+ towers, eleven of which are over 600'. I've been to Atlanta and because of that one visit, I love the downtown skyline, food, sports teams and the State of Georgia in general. So I have to assume you were presenting, tongue in cheek. You have a ton of skyscrapers that I consider signature towers and can only wish we had more of here. Glad to have you moving here, in fact proud you chose here, but don't look in your rearview mirror when you leave Atlanta, you might decide to stay. I would be happy with ANY one of your top ten over this proposed tower. If we are drooling over the design because its a super tall, its like me going to a football game because I love football, but don't really care for either team playing like when my wife makes me take her to a Longhorn game. It lessens the enthusiasm somewhat. I can't root for this tower because it so tall, but I won't shoot it down either. Its just not what I envision our first and maybe only supertall should look like. Just me I suppose.

Context is everything. None of what you said has a thing to do with my post at all.

What I said is that I live in Atlanta and that we don’t build any tall towers here anymore. I’m aware that Atlanta has tall buildings but those were all built many decades ago in the past...

Sorry if I came across as rude.

[davidberko]

Originally Posted by N90

Bro context is everything. None of what you even said has a thing to do with my post at all.

I said I live in Atlanta and that we don’t build any tall towers here anymore .

I didn't misunderstand. I agree with you on Atlanta's skyline. It's weird. Indeed they have a lot of tall buildings but it's too spread out to look remotely impressive. I lived about six hours from there in the panhandle of Florida. Not many American cities are doing what austin is where there's so much new construction going on. Especially for a city Austin's size it's stupid impressive. And that's coming from someone who's lived all over, including chicago, home of the skyscraper. Austin has a lot to be proud of.

[jordan]

You are not rude.

Originally Posted by the Genral

I must be thinking of a different Atlanta, the one with the BoA Plaza, my overall favorite, SunTrust Plaza, One Atlantic Center, Peachtree Tower, and another favorite because its round, the Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel, plus almost forty, 400+ towers, eleven of which are over 600'. I've been to Atlanta and because of that one visit, I love the downtown skyline, food, sports teams and the State of Georgia in general. So I have to assume you were presenting, tongue in cheek. You have a ton of skyscrapers that I consider signature towers and can only wish we had more of here. Glad to have you moving here, in fact proud you chose here, but don't look in your rearview mirror when you leave Atlanta, you might decide to stay. I would be happy with ANY one of your top ten over this proposed tower. If we are drooling over the design because its a super tall, its like me going to a football game because I love football, but don't really care for either team playing like when my wife makes me take her to a Longhorn game. It lessens the enthusiasm somewhat. I can't root for this tower because it so tall, but I won't shoot it down either. Its just not what I envision our first and maybe only supertall should look like. Just me I suppose.

Originally Posted by N90

Context is everything. None of what you said has a thing to do with my post at all.

What I said is that I live in Atlanta and that we don’t build any tall towers here anymore. I’m aware that Atlanta has tall buildings but those were all built many decades ago in the past...

Sorry if I came across as rude.

[the Genral]

Originally Posted by N90

I live in Atlanta and we don't get tall buildings here. We get short highrises and midsize highrises at best. We don't get things like Texas Tower (Houston), 6XG (Austin), and this.

Our best towers are the cutesy and pretty short ones. Great for what they are but they lack any kinda height that can get one excited. The only "tall" towers we hear about here are fake projects that don't exist or the ones the city built over a decade or many decades ago.

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=14009

But Austin? Austin's different. I like it, I'm moving to Austin in February.

Ok, I re-read your post and in your reply to mine, you embellished your post. But in doing so, I get your point. I didn't read that you aren't getting any new buildings to the scale we are. You didn't say that. And I was being complimentary to what is already in place. I spent many weekends for many years in NYC and been to Chicago and Boston many times, so my opinion on other city skylines come from seeing the real deals. We are a few years away from me qualifying ours to the higher ranks. 6x, Republic, and this supertall should clinch it for me, plus the projects in Rainey. Fwiw, the bulk of what I say in my almost 4000 posts are just my personal opinions and interpretations, often going against the grain and against popular opinion and I'm sure I come off as ignorant sometimes. But hey, I gotta be me.

[N90]

Originally Posted by the Genral

Ok, I re-read your post and in your reply to mine, you embellished your post. But in doing so, I get your point. I didn't read that you aren't getting any new buildings to the scale we are. You didn't say that. And I was being complimentary to what is already in place. I spent many weekends for many years in NYC and been to Chicago and Boston many times, so my opinion on other city skylines come from seeing the real deals. We are a few years away from me qualifying ours to the higher ranks. 6x, Republic, and this supertall should clinch it for me, plus the projects in Rainey. Fwiw, the bulk of what I say in my almost 4000 posts are just my personal opinions and interpretations, often going against the grain and against popular opinion and I'm sure can come off as ignorant sometimes. But hey, I gotta be me.

I apologize for my wording earlier. I could’ve done a better job saying towers built recently in Atlanta in the last decade or since the Great Recession.

I have no ill will towards you or your posts. But please understand, even a tower like 44 East that now gets overlooked in your development pipeline in Austin would represent the tallest thing built in other major cities. That’s where Atlanta is with skyscraper construction. We have plenty of cute and pretty 200-400 footers in the pipeline but just too bad their height is nothing substantial though.

Atlanta needs to fill in the gap in the skyline between DT and MT with talls.