Chinatown Updates Discussion - Page 41

seamusmcduff · #**801** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 5:07 AM**

This will be so cool if it doesn't get value engineered

osirisboy · #**802** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 5:25 AM**

Horrible place for social housing

csbvan · #**803** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 5:30 AM**

Why are so many social housing projects such a step up in design from market?! 😅

csbvan · #**804** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 5:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by osirisboy

Horrible place for social housing

Yeah ,how dare a black-led non-profit build African-Canadian oriented social housing in the historically black neighbourhood of Vancouver, that was destroyed by eviction

chowhou · #**805** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 8:30 AM**

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Originally Posted by csbvan

Yeah ,how dare a black-led non-profit build African-Canadian oriented social housing in the historically black neighbourhood of Vancouver, that was destroyed by eviction

I get what you're trying to say and I wouldn't say anything in any other circumstance, but this is in Chinatown which is definitely not the historically black neighbourhood of Vancouver.

Hogan's Alley which I'm sure you're referring to was where the viaducts are now, not at this corner.

I definitely like the look of the building as proposed, but as with all developments I have little interest in the proposal and I'll wait for the final plan to make a judgement.

gaviscon · #**806** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 6:06 PM**

Are we still removing the Georgia viaducts or is it more of a pipe dream?

jollyburger · #**807** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 6:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by gaviscon

Are we still removing the Georgia viaducts or is it more of a pipe dream?

Pipe dream until there's funding to do it which will probably involve all the redevelopment projects in the area proceeding.

seamusmcduff · #**808** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 7:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by chowhou

I get what you're trying to say and I wouldn't say anything in any other circumstance, but this is in Chinatown which is definitely not the historically black neighbourhood of Vancouver.

Hogan's Alley which I'm sure you're referring to was where the viaducts are now, not at this corner.

This is such a strange comment to me. Hogan's alley has been taken up by the viaducts for over half a decade.

Is the African Canadian community just supposed to wait until they're actually demolished before they are allowed to build any housing for the community?

"We demolished your neighbourhood, but you also shouldn't build any new housing in other areas until that land is available to you again."

Migrant_Coconut · #**809** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 7:45 PM**

The site is the Jimi Hendrix shrine literally right next to the viaducts. It's not like they're planning to put it between Sun Yat-sen and the Millennium Gate.

Changing City · #**810** Posted **Aug 23, 2025, 9:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The site is the Jimi Hendrix shrine literally right next to the viaducts. It's not like they're planning to put it between Sun Yat-sen and the Millennium Gate.

There are no references to Jimi or the former shrine in the new development application. There is a reference to the black community who lived in the area, and to Vie’s Chicken and Steaks, which was on the site (in a building long demolished).

There were Chinese businesses and residents on this block of Union, as well as black owned businesses - Vie's and Blanche's restaurant were both on the block. There were also Italians who lived here, and 'Mothers Tamale & Chilli Parlor' was across the street. The 'shrine' was actually developed as a taxi office for Columbia Taxi, run by H D Docksteader (who was born in Maple Ridge in 1898).

chowhou · #**811** Posted **Aug 24, 2025, 12:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

This is such a strange comment to me. Hogan's alley has been taken up by the viaducts for over half a decade.

Is the African Canadian community just supposed to wait until they're actually demolished before they are allowed to build any housing for the community?

"We demolished your neighbourhood, but you also shouldn't build any new housing in other areas until that land is available to you again."

Who said that African Canadian advocacy groups aren't allowed to build housing outside of Hogan's Alley?

Just because it's not where Hogan's Alley was doesn't mean it can't be built there. I'm perfectly fine with Chinese seniors housing not being built in Chinatown because why should it matter?

jrdtown · #**812** Posted **Sep 23, 2025, 2:29 AM**

123 Keefer, my photos, July 2nd 2025

and September 21, 2025; with a brand new mural.

SFUVancouver · #**813** Posted **Sep 23, 2025, 1:44 PM**

That's a great looking mural. Thanks for sharing those photos.

RedArbutus · #**814** Posted **Sep 23, 2025, 3:33 PM**

Excellent.

Changing City · #**815** Posted **Oct 7, 2025, 6:00 AM**

Keefer House is now in operation as a hotel. There's still some final finishing on the main floor retail units to come.

[Changing City blog]

seamusmcduff · #**816** Posted **Oct 23, 2025, 7:10 PM**

It's pretty incredible to me that 105 Keefer is still being protested. The lot has been empty for decades, it really seems to me a case of perfect being the enemy of good. Could beedie do more for the community? Sure, but it's become pretty clear that it's either this, or it continues to stay an empty lot. It's not a bad development all things considered, when you compare to the alternative empty lot

https://savechinatownyvr.substack.co...y-no-to-beedie

hollywoodnorth · #**817** Posted **Oct 23, 2025, 8:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

https://savechinatownyvr.substack.co...y-no-to-beedie

those people are so sad.

GenWhy? · #**818** Posted **Oct 23, 2025, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by seamusmcduff

It's pretty incredible to me that 105 Keefer is still being protested. The lot has been empty for decades, it really seems to me a case of perfect being the enemy of good. Could beedie do more for the community? Sure, but it's become pretty clear that it's either this, or it continues to stay an empty lot. It's not a bad development all things considered, when you compare to the alternative empty lot

https://savechinatownyvr.substack.co...y-no-to-beedie

They prefer it as an empty lot though.

Leader at the rally said it "threatens our homes, culture, and future" - which from other bits I think I can summarize down to generally due to what they say is gentrification.

Oof then she said they will only accept "100% social housing with community and culture space that is fully controlled by the community"... so they want to be gifted a whole building.

csbvan · #**819** Posted **Oct 23, 2025, 9:21 PM**

There's no chance the DPB turns it down again...

GenWhy? · #**820** Posted **Oct 23, 2025, 9:47 PM**

From their rally

- Market units in the lowest income area will accelerate displacement of locals and make the housing crisis worse.

- It will reduce the memorial to an ornament to multi million dollar condos.

- Plaza area needs to be free of luxury condos

- Call on the City to reject the project outright (basis unknown)

- Gentrification is genocide (comment by VANDU).

- Mr. Beedie spent so much on this application... why didn't he use that money on the community instead? (VANDU guy)

- They changed the address so they could get past the zoning bylaws. We gotta watch out for this guy because he changed the address (that's not much of a paraphrase from a VANDU guy)

- Profit allows who gets to live in the City (VTU) (but they're saying... we reject these buyers to move here?)

- Beddie cannot buy their way into this neighbourhood (VTU) (they own the land)

- Call on the City to stop making these deals (VTU) (not sure what that means either)

I turned it off once Jean Swanson was about to speak