Winnipeg Jets - Page 41

newflyer · #**801** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 8:51 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ajs

what i thought there was a hhl team

There are 3 NHL teams in the New York area:

New York Rangers
New York Islanders
New Jersey Devils

see for yourself:

www.nhl.com

When the Jets left Winnipeg in 1996, Bettman said no team in the future could ever be named the Jets outside of Winnipeg. In effect the name is reserved for Winnipeg.

newflyer · #**802** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 10:32 AM**

The NHL reality ...

- All you can eat NHL tickets for $39

- 4 tickets and meal combos for $89

- $15 tickets every Thursday

- Kids get in free

http://thrashers.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=57363

or

http://lightning.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=50455

or

tickets to 4 games for $45, plus an autographed puck by your favorite player. ( R U kidding me??? )

http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=58405
not including the "we win you win" promotion ... If you buy a game ticket and the team wins .. you can redeem your ticket for another free game ticket.

How on earth could Winnipeg possibily afford such expensive entertainment. LOL

JustinL · #**803** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:27 AM**

That's not even as bad as what they were doing in Phoenix last month. Basically, should the home team win, everybody got vouchers to a free game. And some of those tickets were 2 for 20$. So for 10$, some people were getting to see two NHL games.

JustinL · #**804** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:46 AM**

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Originally Posted by newflyer

There is no doubt in my mind that the NHL is returning to Winnipeg in the coming years. It is not even a mattr of 'if' anymore.

The factors which drove the Jets south in 96 have disappeared.

Then: 64 cent dollar
Now: 95 cent dollar ( this alone generates nearly 50% more income for Canadian based teams) and many people in finance are expecting the Candian dollar to reach par in the coming months, even while the Bank of Canada is working hard to prevent this from happening.

Then: old Winnipeg arena - 0 luxury boxes
Now: MTS Centre - 48 luxury boxes + club seating

Then : NHL, no salary management system
Now : NHL, salary cap in place

Then: city economy was in decline relative to other major Canadian cities
Now: among the fastest growing city economies the last 4 years.

Then: stagnant population
Now: City and surounding area is now realizing steady growth. Latest numbers indicate the province grew by nearly 17000 people in 2009.

Quoted, because it organizes the key points beautifully. I'm in total agreement here.

Winnipeg loves hockey. The MTS center is a VERY busy venue, perfectly located. I can't imagine almost every game not being a practical sellout for quite some time should the NHL return to Winnipeg. I'd be in line for season tickets.

RAFS · #**805** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 6:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by JustinL

Quoted, because it organizes the key points beautifully. I'm in total agreement here.

Winnipeg loves hockey. The MTS center is a VERY busy venue, perfectly located. I can't imagine almost every game not being a practical sellout for quite some time should the NHL return to Winnipeg. I'd be in line for season tickets.

Agreed

Pegger5 · #**806** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 7:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by rrskylar

Here is the source of my information: http://list.canadianbusiness.com/ran...=a&sp2=1&eh=ch, probably a magazine your unaware of ( yes there are business magazines).

Judging by your inability to spell, I even question whether you work!

I will save you the trouble of trying to find them in your little diatribe, here they are; soo, disposible, irrelevent, positve.

You are petty! Sorry I type too fast and send before I spell check.. No wonder no one likes you here.. As for work, do you really want to compare our careers? Be very careful what you ask for..
As for the business magazine. check my past posts... and my actual signature.

anni 62 · #**807** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 9:10 PM**

ok. enough. Winnipeg is getting an NHL team..get used to it. If anyone was listening to a certain radio station in The 'Peg this morning...you might be shocked like I am. A certain radio personality who railed on those of us who actual believed an NHL team would come back has given IN! This character says a team by 2020 but states more like "2 or 3 years" in actual fact...Holy Crow..I'm so shocked that I will have a drink. Get ready it's almost time to rally and party at Portage and Main!

JustinL · #**808** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 10:43 PM**

Haha. Next person to hop onto the bandwaggon: rrskylar?

Haha, didn't think so.

grumpy old man · #**809** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:16 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Here is the source of my information: http://list.canadianbusiness.com/ran...=a&sp2=1&eh=ch, probably a magazine your unaware of ( yes there are business magazines).

Judging by your inability to spell, I even question whether you work!

I will save you the trouble of trying to find them in your little diatribe, here they are; soo, disposible, irrelevent, positve.

You can't be seriously calling on someone because of spelling can you? I'll help you with your spelling error from this post: your = you're. Ummm, are you working?

feepa · #**810** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by trueviking

the nhl's bogus attendance numbers are meaningless....ticket revenue pays the bills....1/3 of the league draws 11 000 or less at the average ticket price....15000 seats at the average ticket price is in the top half of the league in revenues.....your argument holds no water.

see above.....you are wrong.....there isnt a big price difference....what else you got?

you know - only double or triple. Not much increase at all

feepa · #**811** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by anni 62

ok. enough. Winnipeg is getting an NHL team..get used to it. If anyone was listening to a certain radio station in The 'Peg this morning...you might be shocked like I am. A certain radio personality who railed on those of us who actual believed an NHL team would come back has given IN! This character says a team by 2020 but states more like "2 or 3 years" in actual fact...Holy Crow..I'm so shocked that I will have a drink. Get ready it's almost time to rally and party at Portage and Main!

Ya, thats real official.

Let us know when you have something of substance. "I heard so and so on a silly radio call in show say Winnipeg is not on the Red River and is actually located in Cuba! Silly map makers are wrong"

It must be true now!!!

grumpy old man · #**812** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:21 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by newflyer

There is no doubt in my mind that the NHL is returning to Winnipeg in the coming years. It is not even a mattr of 'if' anymore.

The factors which drove the Jets south in 96 have disappeared.

Then: 64 cent dollar
Now: 95 cent dollar ( this alone generates nearly 50% more income for Canadian based teams) and many people in finance are expecting the Candian dollar to reach par in the coming months, even while the Bank of Canada is working hard to prevent this from happening.

Then: old Winnipeg arena - 0 luxury boxes
Now: MTS Centre - 48 luxury boxes + club seating

Then : NHL, no salary management system
Now : NHL, salary cap in place

Then: city economy was in decline relative to other major Canadian cities
Now: among the fastest growing city economies the last 4 years.

Then: stagnant population
Now: City and surounding area is now realizing steady growth. Latest numbers indicate the province grew by nearly 17000 people in 2009.

Then: a realitively poor ownership group had problems meeting the demands of the NHL.
Now: The richest person in Canada along with one of the wealthiest families in the city.. and a couple other wealthy individuals also ready to join the ownership group ready to finance the team.

Then: high business taxes, dampering the local economy
Now: moderate business taxes which are declining yearly. The result has seen increased investment in the local economy.

I don't think using NHL attendance stats is valid, as it has been shown time and time again that those numbers are inflated, especially among the bottom 3rd of the league. I previously posted an article which used Arizona court documents showing how the Coyotes greatly inflated there numbers to qualify for NHL support, including handing out freebies, greatly discounted tickets and buying up there own tickets to fudge the numbers for the NHL office. There is no doubt that those 9000 people watch the Thrashers everynight are magically turned into 14000 in the paper the next day. The Islanders, Panthers, Tampa Bay among others fall into the same category.

The bottom line is the NHL is not considered a first tier major league in the majority of the States and reality shows the even the CFL gets higher TV ratiings in many US markets. They relate to football, even if it has odd Canadian rules.

Winnipeg has proven itself the best hockey market without an NHL team time and time again. The NHL and its player association are looking to relocate those bottom feeder teams to real hockey markets. (ie: Winnipeg, Quebec City and Hartford... with an expansion team in Hamilton) With that said Winnipeg is the ONLY market ready to go at a moments notice. Everything is in place, except for the proper opportunity, but they are working behind the scenes with the NHL as we speak.

Its no longer "if" .... just a matter of when. I am just looking forward to seeing the new uniforms.

I also think if they took a poll for the new name, they would find the "JETS" would win hands down.

Great post. Great attitude.

grumpy old man · #**813** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:36 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Here is the source of my information: http://list.canadianbusiness.com/ran...=a&sp2=1&eh=ch, probably a magazine your unaware of ( yes there are business magazines).

Great source. That magazine ranks Winnipeg 8th best place to live in Canada.

grumpy old man · #**814** Posted **Dec 11, 2009, 11:40 PM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

Let us know when you have something of substance. "I heard so and so on a silly radio call in show say Winnipeg is not on the Red River and is actually located in Cuba! Silly map makers are wrong"

It must be true now!!!

Umm, Winnipeg is not actually on the Red River. The Red River wends its way through Winnipeg though. Sometimes the Red River is on Winnipeg. Mostly in the spring.

Thanks for playing along.

RTD · #**815** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 12:27 AM**

The NHL will be back in Winnipeg sooner than later. The American southern teams can only remain in debt for so much longer before they cave in on themselves, and even the NHL BOG can prop them up for only so long.

trueviking · #**816** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by feepa

you know - only double or triple. Not much increase at all

hmmm...you may want to invest in an abacus, or at least take your socks off so you can count to 20...your math seems a bit off...

facts are not exactly your strong suit eh?....pretty much disproved every baseless stereotype you lay out...yet you continue....without a single piece of eveidence beyond your own mind.

Pegger5 · #**817** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 4:25 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Didn't take you and your boyfriend Pegger5 long to ratchet up to a battle of insults, just remember I didn't start it. And by the way my use of your was the right one for the phrase, maybe a little remedial grammar school might be in order. The correct use of you're would be: you're an idiot!

PS this will be my last post on this particular thread, when the NHL does return to Winnipeg in twenty years or less I may be proven wrong.

YAY, he is gone from this thread, but somehow I doubt he can control himself to stay away. Now lets start talking real facts about the prospects of getting a team back..

Ownership group - check
NHL approved Arena - check
Fans - check
corporate support - check

new airport - check

Pegger5 · #**818** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by flatlander

Really? I'd love to see that stat. I just find that hard to believe.

Okay here you go. Alberta has an average liability of $99,384--More than any other province.. Page 3 (source)

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...eo-DaL5Y1POyuQ

Table 1: Financial Situation of Individuals Filing for Bankruptcy, by Province
Balance Sheet, as of 2008 Average Deficiency
Province Average Assets Average Liabilities 2008 2007 % Change
Canada 42,020 81,829 39,809 36,646 9%
NL 30,652 59,776 29,124 25,609 14%
PEI 49,765 90,578 40,813 43,993 -7%
NS 49,282 73,560 24,278 23,079 5%
NB 47,419 90,742 43,323 36,995 17%
QB 27,113 62,886 35,773 33,152 8%
ON 52,569 95,421 42,852 40,643 5%
MB 35,670 67,786 32,116 31,277 3%
SK 41,893 69,642 27,749 23,082 20%
AB 55,709 99,384 43,675 34,927 25%
BC 34,934 86,795 51,861 46,960 10%
Source: Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy

RTD · #**819** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 4:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pegger5

YAY, he is gone from this thread, but somehow I doubt he can control himself to stay away. Now lets start talking real facts about the prospects of getting a team back..

Ownership group - check
NHL approved Arena - check
Fans - check
corporate support - check

new airport - check

The only thing I'm going to disagree with you on here is the ownership group. Officially, there still hasn't been a group that has stepped forward and made their intentions known for the record. With that said, however, we do know that there are several groups who are most definitely interested in bringing a team back to Winnipeg. All in all, I'd say we are closer to that final goal than we have been in many many years. It's only a question of when as opposed to if.

RTD · #**820** Posted **Dec 12, 2009, 4:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pegger5

www.finance.alberta.ca/aboutalberta/.../2009_0703_consumer_bankruptcy.pdf

Table 1: Financial Situation of Individuals Filing for Bankruptcy, by Province
Balance Sheet, as of 2008 Average Deficiency
Province Average Assets Average Liabilities 2008 2007 % Change
Canada 42,020 81,829 39,809 36,646 9%
NL 30,652 59,776 29,124 25,609 14%
PEI 49,765 90,578 40,813 43,993 -7%
NS 49,282 73,560 24,278 23,079 5%
NB 47,419 90,742 43,323 36,995 17%
QB 27,113 62,886 35,773 33,152 8%
ON 52,569 95,421 42,852 40,643 5%
MB 35,670 67,786 32,116 31,277 3%
SK 41,893 69,642 27,749 23,082 20%
AB 55,709 99,384 43,675 34,927 25%
BC 34,934 86,795 51,861 46,960 10%
Source: Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy

Wow. I'm surprised about Alberta (are you reading this Freepa?) and especially Saskatchewan. Everyone keeps talking about how Saskatchewan was so immune to job losses and bankruptcies during this recession, well, not so much I guess. Good for Manitoba for being among the lowest for bankrupcty filings in the Country; makes us more appealing compared to other provinces