Highways in Canada

[Dengler Avenue]

I was going through a few articles:
https://www.thevanguard.ca/news/provinci...hway-101-twinning-project-approved-1960/

https://www.saltwire.com/news/provincial...-project-2029/?location=annapolis-valley

https://www.saltwire.com/news/local/comp...ecided-249318/?location=annapolis-valley

Question: What’s the final decision regarding twinning through the causeway? Is it simply adding another set of lanes, or is it complete realignment?

[urbandreamer]

When is Highway 408 going to be built connecting Stratford, Kitchener and Hamilton?

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by urbandreamer

When is Highway 408 going to be built connecting Stratford, Kitchener and Hamilton?

Widening Highway 7-8 towards Stratford: TBD
Constructing Morriston Bypass: TBD*
Full-on grade separation: TBD

* Nevertheless I have a feeling that this will be done in conjunction with widening 401 between Cambridge (Exit 278) and Milton (Exit 320).

[Loco101]

This is kind of a random question but where would the busiest two-lane highway in Canada be? And by that I don't mean a short highway but something that's at least 50 Kms long with lots of traffic along most of its route but only two lanes.

[Dengler Avenue]

Island Highway through Goldstream Park near Victoria, B.C.? AADT 22K.

Edit: Oh wait that’s less than 50 km...

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Loco101

This is kind of a random question but where would the busiest two-lane highway in Canada be? And by that I don't mean a short highway but something that's at least 50 Kms long with lots of traffic along most of its route but only two lanes.

Likely Highway 69 or 17 in "Southern Ontario".

[kev_427]

I believe Highway 6 through Morriston is the busiest 2 lane highway in Canada. Highway 89 between Alliston and Cookstown might be next.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yRV68T-H0kybtaIU7FjrBc_gqSEZwgZm&usp=sharing

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by kev_427

I believe Highway 6 through Morriston is the busiest 2 lane highway in Canada. Highway 89 between Alliston and Cookstown might be next.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1yRV68T-H0kybtaIU7FjrBc_gqSEZwgZm&usp=sharing

Sweet link!
Castlegar in the green.
Aadt 13400 on main street.

[Innsertnamehere]

I know Highway 6 through Morriston is still 2 lanes and has an AADT of something like 25,000. I think that would be the busiest 2 lane provincial highway in Ontario.

Highway 12 around Beaverton is also in the 15,000 range, though there are likely many more roads in that range around, especially regional roads.

[Dengler Avenue]

A lot of Quebec 2-lane roads definitely make the cut then.
There’s the 335, which is slated to be converted to A19 between A440 and A640.
Then there’s 158 from Saint Jérôme to Juliette, which should have been converted to A50 but that ship has sailed. -_-
There’s also a short segment of 133 from where A35 currently ends to Phillisburg, a segment that’s to be bypassed with the extension of A35.
Last but not least, there’s the 2-lane segment of 116.

@Loco101 should I include super-2’s as well, or are you strictly referring to rural 2-lane roads?

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

A lot of Quebec 2-lane roads definitely make the cut then.
There’s the 335, which is slated to be converted to A19 between A440 and A640.
Then there’s 158 from Saint Jérôme to Juliette, which should have been converted to A50 but that ship has sailed. -_-
There’s also a short segment of 133 from where A35 currently ends to Phillisburg, a segment that’s to be bypassed with the extension of A35.
Last but not least, there’s the 2-lane segment of 116.

@Loco101 should I include super-2’s as well, or are you strictly referring to rural 2-lane roads?

Why not include both!

Thanks for the answers from everyone so far. I have driven all of the mentioned highways and they are were quite busy when I was on all of them. I drove BC Hwy 1 through Goldstream Provincial Park on Vancouver Island in August for the first time. I thought it was strange that the section hasn't been widened or realigned to be outside the park.

[GreaterMontréal]

Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

A lot of Quebec 2-lane roads definitely make the cut then.
There’s the 335, which is slated to be converted to A19 between A440 and A640.
Then there’s 158 from Saint Jérôme to Juliette, which should have been converted to A50 but that ship has sailed. -_-
There’s also a short segment of 133 from where A35 currently ends to Phillisburg, a segment that’s to be bypassed with the extension of A35.
Last but not least, there’s the 2-lane segment of 116.

@Loco101 should I include super-2’s as well, or are you strictly referring to rural 2-lane roads?

Here is a map of the AADT of all the roads in Quebec.
https://geoegl.msp.gouv.qc.ca/igo2/apercu-qc/?context=mtq&visiblelayers=circulation_routier

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Loco101

Why not include both!

Thanks for the answers from everyone so far. I have driven all of the mentioned highways and they are were quite busy when I was on all of them. I drove BC Hwy 1 through Goldstream Provincial Park on Vancouver Island in August for the first time. I thought it was strange that the section hasn't been widened or realigned to be outside the park.

That’s because it’s hard to do; swimmer_spe and I had a long talk about it in the TCH thread in the main forum. That said, A55 from Bécancour to A20 has just as much traffic as Island Highway through Goldstream Park (22.6 K and 22.3K, respectively).

Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal

Here is a map of the AADT of all the roads in Quebec.
https://geoegl.msp.gouv.qc.ca/igo2/apercu-qc/?context=mtq&visiblelayers=circulation_routier

Originally I was gonna repost it from EasternFreeway but then I thought it would be redundant since the general AADT map posted a few threads back would have contained information about Quebec highways too.

[Innsertnamehere]

Looking at that Quebec map, jeez, there isn’t a road over 10,000 AADT that isn’t 4 laned it seems.

Ontario apparently is far behind on road infrastructure.. highways sit in languish way above capacity for decades before they get widened it seems.

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Looking at that Quebec map, jeez, there isn’t a road over 10,000 AADT that isn’t 4 laned it seems.

Ontario apparently is far behind on road infrastructure.. highways sit in languish way above capacity for decades before they get widened it seems.

Decongesting GTA sucks up most of the money.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

Looking at that Quebec map, jeez, there isn’t a road over 10,000 AADT that isn’t 4 laned it seems.
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There are actually a number of 2-laners in Quebec that are over 10,000, but the MTQ has a pretty hard-and-fast rule that once they go over 10,000, they are designated for twinning. The issue is when they actually get to it. (They do eventually - but it can take a lot of time.)

But I realize that in Ontario perhaps there are quite a few 2-laners for which there is absolutely zero commitment to twinning at any point in the foreseeable future.

[esquire]

This discussion actually makes me feel fairly good about the state of affairs in Manitoba... just about every highway with AADT of over 10,000 is twinned including long stretches of the TCH which are closer to 5,000 (but subject to wild seasonal variations, like coming back to town from cottage country on summer Sunday nights).

So far as I can tell there are just a few short stretches of road south and east of Winnipeg that creep up to 10K without twinning or at least some form of improvement beyond a basic two-lane road.

With a cursory glance at the AADT map, the only somewhat significant stretch of untwinned >10K highway I can find is about 15 to 20 km of PTH 59 south of Ile des Chenes.

[MonctonRad]

So apparently Premier Blaine Higgs of NB asked the Quebec Premier nicely if he would consider speeding up the twinning of the final 40 km of Highway 185 (currently slated for completion in 2025), and LeGeault politely responded by telling him to frig off........

[Dengler Avenue]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So apparently Premier Blaine Higgs of NB asked the Quebec Premier nicely if he would consider speeding up the twinning of the final 40 km of Highway 185 (currently slated for completion in 2025), and LeGeault politely responded by telling him to frig off........

Got links? I might repost it in the Quebec Highway forum (though I'm getting bored being the sole contributor there...)
I want 185 done before 2025 too. I've been waiting to travel from GTA to Halifax on a contiguous freeway.

Originally Posted by esquire

This discussion actually makes me feel fairly good about the state of affairs in Manitoba... just about every highway with AADT of over 10,000 is twinned including long stretches of the TCH which are closer to 5,000 (but subject to wild seasonal variations, like coming back to town from cottage country on summer Sunday nights).

So far as I can tell there are just a few short stretches of road south and east of Winnipeg that creep up to 10K without twinning or at least some form of improvement beyond a basic two-lane road.

With a cursory glance at the AADT map, the only somewhat significant stretch of untwinned >10K highway I can find is about 15 to 20 km of PTH 59 south of Ile des Chenes.

You know what got me wondering? Maybe for the time being, with AADT ~6K only on TCH from Headingley to Virden, we can replace most* of the traffic-light-controlled intersections with roundabouts that allow for easy future conversion into interchanges.

* I said "most" because something like TCH & Yellowhead Highway may need to be replaced by an interchange right from the get-go, since even the latter may be twinned too. Also, the 2 traffic lights through the outskirt of Brandon are a bit close so personally I'm not sure if roundabouts will be appropriate.

Obviously, we can't pull this roundabout idea off with Perimeter Highway because of the sheer volume. For the open house today, I have sent the final reminder.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

So apparently Premier Blaine Higgs of NB asked the Quebec Premier nicely if he would consider speeding up the twinning of the final 40 km of Highway 185 (currently slated for completion in 2025), and LeGeault politely responded by telling him to frig off........

Was Mr. Higgs' request accompanied by a cheque? Didn't think so.

I want to see the A-85 completed ASAP as much as anybody, but to put things in perspective the region of Quebec where it is located has about 22,000 people. It doesn't lead to another region of Quebec, it leads to the Maritimes - which are the main benefactors of its completion. Not Quebec taxpayers.

Of the whole 1-billion-dollar project, about half the money is coming from the feds, and the other half is coming from Quebec.

So Quebec is spending half a billion dollars of our tax money on a road that will primarily benefit only 22,000 of its taxpayers and 2.5 million Atlantic Canadians who do not pay taxes to Quebec.

As I said already, I am totally for this project. It needs to be done. But it also makes sense that is being done according to Quebec's terms and priorities.