ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[RudyJK]

Originally Posted by forj

"Give me convenience or give me death" - Dead Kennedys

It's very close to the same distance from Civic Center Marta as it is from Vine City or Dome/GWCC.. if North Site happens, would be really cool to see an extension of the street car in a big loop, from Centennial Park down around Philips arena, up Northside, over Ivan Alan connecting back at Centennial. they should just do that anyway

How practical is a streetcar system when you are talking about emptying a stadium in 30 minutes? They can only handle, what, 50 at a time or so. And it's not like they can be lined up waiting for the game to be over. You need the capacity of heavy rail to empty large crowds from an event.

And I stand by my previous statement, even though some can't handle negativity. This whole church holdout, north site v. south site charade is most likely an elaborate game intended to justify high land prices and political favoritism that will result in the eventual, magical, last-minute selection of the south site.

[Midtown_DD]

Originally Posted by forj

"Give me convenience or give me death" - Dead Kennedys

It's very close to the same distance from Civic Center Marta as it is from Vine City or Dome/GWCC.. if North Site happens, would be really cool to see an extension of the street car in a big loop, from Centennial Park down around Philips arena, up Northside, over Ivan Alan connecting back at Centennial. they should just do that anyway

You've stumbled upon the other thing that ARC's travel surveys show people are unwilling to do...system to system transfers. If they linked the streetcar into a north-south and east-west rail line station there might be some promise (since people have to transfer anyway now at Five-Points), but bear in mind that street cars are much smaller than MARTA heavy-rail cars and aren't meant to be a reliable shuttle to stadiums. Reciprocal fare agreements between the streetcar and MARTA are also not in place yet, which could further limit that transfer.

[forj]

valid points for sure.. south site is just a no-brainer where transportation issues are concerned and that is why the city is pushing so hard for it. as stated earlier/elsewhere, the south site wont be given up over the few million dollars needed to deal with Mt. Vernon. only way it is going north of GWCC is if the falcons and GWCC outright refuse to allow it to be built at the South site. i dont see that happening. it is just a big game as far as it taking so long and so much wrangling to make the deal happen.

[micropundit]

Novare Group, Batson-Cook Development Company, and Ackerman & Co. are planning SkyHouse Buckhead, a 26-story, 364-unit luxury tower. The site is just off Peachtree Road next to the new MARTA pedestrian bridge that’s going to cross over Ga. 400.The site is also behind Maggiano’s Little Italy Restaurant.

It marks the third residential tower for Novare Group. It’s also developing 100 6th Street in Midtown. It already completed SkyHouse Midtown on West Peachtree Street. The same development group has other projects under way in Orlando, Fla. Austin, Houston, and Dallas Texas.

The new Buckhead tower would rise on a site that was eyed for development before the downturn. It’s owned by developer Charles Ackerman, and during the last development cycle it drew the interest of a 300-room hotel.
Architectural firm Smallwood, Reynolds, Stewart, Stewart is designing the project.The site is just a short walk from the Buckhead MARTA Station, making it appealing to residents who prefer nearby transit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...s-new-buckhead-residential.html?page=all

[Libertarian]

south site is just a no-brainer where transportation issues are concerned

It's a money problem.

[yangtze]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

It's a money problem.

Reed is a great mayor, and shows that times are changing. However, i prefer the north location, the main reason being visibility. This architectural masterpiece should be visible from downtown, midtown, and buckhead, which is possible only at the north site. Call me selfish, but I don't want to never see this stadium, hidden somewhere south behind GA dome.

[Tuckerman]

Some transit studies argue that walking more than a quarter mile to a transit connection is about the maximum that people (Americans) will tolerate. However, most of those observations are based on day in day out transit use to and from work. However the context of a single event at a major stadium with thousands walking in the same direction in a presumably celebratory fashion is a very different phenomenon. In addition, I would argue that those pundits who always drive their cars to the games will not alter their behavior even if MARTA stopped at their seat.

[AtlantaMustang]

Originally Posted by micropundit

Novare Group, Batson-Cook Development Company, and Ackerman & Co. are planning SkyHouse Buckhead, a 26-story, 364-unit luxury tower.

I like the crown on this one better than the plane hangar roof on Skyhouse Midtown. Also 26 floors, higher than Midtown's 23. I also like that it has direct access to Buckhead Marta with the new pedestrian bridge going in.

[pawelra]

Originally Posted by micropundit

Novare Group, Batson-Cook Development Company, and Ackerman & Co. are planning SkyHouse Buckhead, a 26-story, 364-unit luxury tower. The site is just off Peachtree Road next to the new MARTA pedestrian bridge that’s going to cross over Ga. 400.The site is also behind Maggiano’s Little Italy Restaurant.

It marks the third residential tower for Novare Group. It’s also developing 100 6th Street in Midtown. It already completed SkyHouse Midtown on West Peachtree Street. The same development group has other projects under way in Orlando, Fla. Austin, Houston, and Dallas Texas.

The new Buckhead tower would rise on a site that was eyed for development before the downturn. It’s owned by developer Charles Ackerman, and during the last development cycle it drew the interest of a 300-room hotel.
Architectural firm Smallwood, Reynolds, Stewart, Stewart is designing the project.The site is just a short walk from the Buckhead MARTA Station, making it appealing to residents who prefer nearby transit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...s-new-buckhead-residential.html?page=all

Somebody got to stop them from building this fucking parking decks !!!!!!!

[L41A]

The current location of Georgia Dome is practically ideal from a heavy rail mass transit perspective but the walking perspective is being a little overblown in my opinion when comparing to the new stadium if the north site is chosen. Thousands of fans currently walk a distance that's not too different from the distance to the new stadium if the north site is chosen. And like someone has stated, the distance is not a day-to-day going to work walking distance - it's a once a week (at the most) event.

Currently, the Georgia Dome sits almost directly over two MARTA stations (Vine City and Georgia Dome/Philips Arena?GWCC) at appx 0.1 mile distance. If the new Atlanta Falcons Stadium is built on the north site. Those stations will be about 0.5 mile from the new stadium. BUT there will be another MARTA station (Civic Center) within a relative distance of (0.6 mile).

Putting this distance (0.5 mile) into perspective, thousands of Georgia Tech football fans use North Avenue MARTA station and it's about 0.3 mile from Bobby Dodd Stadium.

At any of the championship games at the Georgia Dome (SEC, Final Four, etc), thousands of fans walk from events at Centennial Olympic Park to Georgia Dome at 0.4 mile.

And the distance from Georgia State MARTA station to I-20 (halfway to Turner Field) is 0.4 mile. And Braves fans who drive to Turner Field multiple days a week may walk in the summer up to 0.3 mile from parking lots around the stadium.

There are advantages to both locations. I don't have a strong preference for either one. But I do have enough trust in the parties (the city, the Falcons, the state) that are more intimately involved than me (and probably more so than anyone on this forum) for their reasons for the preferred South site.

[scania]

Originally Posted by micropundit

Novare Group, Batson-Cook Development Company, and Ackerman & Co. are planning SkyHouse Buckhead, a 26-story, 364-unit luxury tower. The site is just off Peachtree Road next to the new MARTA pedestrian bridge that’s going to cross over Ga. 400.The site is also behind Maggiano’s Little Italy Restaurant.

It marks the third residential tower for Novare Group. It’s also developing 100 6th Street in Midtown. It already completed SkyHouse Midtown on West Peachtree Street. The same development group has other projects under way in Orlando, Fla. Austin, Houston, and Dallas Texas.

The new Buckhead tower would rise on a site that was eyed for development before the downturn. It’s owned by developer Charles Ackerman, and during the last development cycle it drew the interest of a 300-room hotel.
Architectural firm Smallwood, Reynolds, Stewart, Stewart is designing the project.The site is just a short walk from the Buckhead MARTA Station, making it appealing to residents who prefer nearby transit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...s-new-buckhead-residential.html?page=all

This is kind of cool too. The article stated that there is also a 39 story being planned up there.

[Pessimistic Observer]

Originally Posted by Tuckerman

Some transit studies argue that walking more than a quarter mile to a transit connection is about the maximum that people (Americans) will tolerate. However, most of those observations are based on day in day out transit use to and from work. However the context of a single event at a major stadium with thousands walking in the same direction in a presumably celebratory fashion is a very different phenomenon. In addition, I would argue that those pundits who always drive their cars to the games will not alter their behavior even if MARTA stopped at their seat.

More to that point games at ga tech have thousands of fans walking a little less than half a mile from north avenue station across a bridge as well. Which helps out the Varsity a lot. of course the varsity does just fine on other days to.
Truly a site to behold when a relatively near bye school like auburn visits.

[A-town]

I was driving through Midtown yesterday when I snapped this picture of a sign up for phase 4 of 12th & Midtown. There hasn't been an announcement made. But the wooden blockades are up like they're about to start construction. Any word on this, or has it been there for a while?

[A-town]

Originally Posted by micropundit

Novare Group, Batson-Cook Development Company, and Ackerman & Co. are planning SkyHouse Buckhead, a 26-story, 364-unit luxury tower. The site is just off Peachtree Road next to the new MARTA pedestrian bridge that’s going to cross over Ga. 400.The site is also behind Maggiano’s Little Italy Restaurant.

It marks the third residential tower for Novare Group. It’s also developing 100 6th Street in Midtown. It already completed SkyHouse Midtown on West Peachtree Street. The same development group has other projects under way in Orlando, Fla. Austin, Houston, and Dallas Texas.

The new Buckhead tower would rise on a site that was eyed for development before the downturn. It’s owned by developer Charles Ackerman, and during the last development cycle it drew the interest of a 300-room hotel.
Architectural firm Smallwood, Reynolds, Stewart, Stewart is designing the project.The site is just a short walk from the Buckhead MARTA Station, making it appealing to residents who prefer nearby transit.

http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/real_...s-new-buckhead-residential.html?page=all

Really Novare??? Another building with a detached parking deck... I swear this company and their complete disregard for quality urban development is going to be the death of me. If the 12th & Midtown developers can get it right why can't they. I'm getting tired of them throwing up this cheap cookie cutter bullshit!

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by A-town

Really Novare??? Another building with a detached parking deck... I swear this company and their complete disregard for quality urban development is going to be the death of me. If the 12th & Midtown developers can get it right why can't they. I'm getting tired of them throwing up this cheap cookie cutter bullshit!

At least the deck is backing up to GA 400.

[BunkyWay]

Wow, another "luxury" apartment development in Buckhead? Just where exactly is the demand for all these "luxury" apartments coming from? I hate to say it, but I smell a bubble forming across the city...and Buckhead is ground zero (just as it has been for every other overbuilding catastrophe).

Curbed has the total unit count already pegged at above 3,000. As a denizen of Buckhead, I am seriously worried about how many apartments are going to be jammed in before it's all over.

[MNT]

I keep hearing that the north stadium site is a "half mile" from Civic Center or Vine City stations but Google Maps puts at more like 0.7–0.9 of a mile. That's a pretty big difference if you really think it's worthwhile to maximize the number of people who can/will use transit to get to the stadium.

[RudyJK]

Originally Posted by A-town

Really Novare??? Another building with a detached parking deck... I swear this company and their complete disregard for quality urban development is going to be the death of me. If the 12th & Midtown developers can get it right why can't they. I'm getting tired of them throwing up this cheap cookie cutter bullshit!

Well to be fair to Novare, as much as I am loathe to, practically every development in Buckhead has a detached parking deck. Some better than others, but they are there. At least this one isn't fronting a streetscape. No one really expects the view from 400 to be grand.

[A-town]

Originally Posted by arjay57

At least the deck is backing up to GA 400.

But given that it's so close to a Marta station they could've found a much better use of the land. I hate detached parking garages in newer construction.

Originally Posted by RudyJK

Well to be fair to Novare, as much as I am loathe to, practically every development in Buckhead has a detached parking deck. Some better than others, but they are there. At least this one isn't fronting a streetscape. No one really expects the view from 400 to be grand.

And this is exactly what kills the urban experience in Buckhead. I think zoning should require developers to build parking decks within the buildings themselves. It's a much better use of land.

[testarossa50]

Originally Posted by arjay57

At least the deck is backing up to GA 400.

I sure hope somebody is thinking carefully about what exactly the sorts of pedestrian treatments at the end of the new north MARTA station entrance are going to be. I'd hate to build a $x0 million footbridge to the new station and put a "rape alley" leading up to it.