DENVER | Main Development Thread #6

[CastleScott]

[QUOTE I'd rip out our entire mass transit system in order to get them][/QUOTE]

As for One Orchard I agree this will be one PHENOMENAL project if built as the rendering shows. I don't agree with Matt though Denver's transit system will attract some awesome projects as time goes on..

[Denver Dweller]

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[comoneymaker]

I just got to say wtf? I am in the King Soopers on Colo and Yale. One of the best in the city. I have come here so many times for food especially for one of my old jobs where I didn't get off till 4am. But I am there at 11:50 and they come on the PA and say the store will be closing in 10 min. ??WTF?? I ask guy when they started closing at 12am and stopped being a 24hr store. He said Dec 26th. Also the Safeway by my house started closing at I think its 1030 now.
Out of all the times I have been there in the middle of the night there have always been at least 25 ppl in there shopping.

Now how with all these people moving here and things booming is Denver becoming less of a 24 hr city?

[semiurban]

Originally Posted by comoneymaker

I just got to say wtf? I am in the King Soopers on Colo and Yale. One of the best in the city. I have come here so many times for food especially for one of my old jobs where I didn't get off till 4am. But I am there at 11:50 and they come on the PA and say the store will be closing in 10 min. ??WTF?? I ask guy when they started closing at 12am and stopped being a 24hr store. He said Dec 26th. Also the Safeway by my house started closing at I think its 1030 now.
Out of all the times I have been there in the middle of the night there have always been at least 25 ppl in there shopping.

Now how with all these people moving here and things booming is Denver becoming less of a 24 hr city?

Are you there now? Sounds like you better head to the checkout line.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

You'd trade it all for four mid-height buildings in a suburban office park? Nothing else matters because you like how the facade looks from a distance?

Matt, in all your years on the forum, this post is the single best summary of... let's say of our "disagreements" over city-building.

Even after all these years on the forum, you still can't realize when I'm being extremely sarcastic. Sheesh, don't be such a prude.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by DownhomeDenver

So, I guess what you're all saying is that if I took the East Line (I refuse to call it the Colorado University whatever line) to Union Station

I agree about the naming of the line. What utterly confusing bullshit is this? There isn't even a station-stop on any (or near any) of the CU campuses. Don't name a transit line after a LOCATION that it DOESN'T serve. But, no biggie, this is only one of the most important rail lines in Denver's history. I mean, what's next? Will the LRT Southeast Line be called the "Coors Brewery Light Rail Connection"? Or perhaps we can sell the naming rights for the D Line to Mineral to Anschutz Medical Center?

[TakeFive]

Originally Posted by comoneymaker

I just got to say wtf? I am in the King Soopers on Colo and Yale. One of the best in the city. I have come here so many times for food especially for one of my old jobs where I didn't get off till 4am. But I am there at 11:50 and they come on the PA and say the store will be closing in 10 min. ??WTF?? I ask guy when they started closing at 12am and stopped being a 24hr store. He said Dec 26th.

Independent retail studies have estimated theft from retail stores costs the American public 33.21 billion dollars per year.

Originally Posted by Matt

I agree about the naming of the line. What utterly confusing bullshit is this? There isn't even a station-stop on any (or near any) of the CU campuses. Don't name a transit line after a LOCATION that it DOESN'T serve.

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[Matt]

^ Get off at the Peoria Station, and take the future R line south. Still doesn't constitute a station stop on a CU campus. By the same measure, Union Station could be considered relatively close to the CU Auraria campus. The "University of Colorado A Line" neither serves a CU campus, nor starts/terminates at one. RTD has yet to realize the clusterf*ck of confusion they are about to cause - especially to out-of-town visitors on the platforms at DIA.

[wong21fr]

Originally Posted by Matt

^ Get off at the Peoria Station, and take the future R line south. Still doesn't constitute a station stop on a CU campus. By the same measure, Union Station could be considered relatively close to the CU Auraria campus. The "University of Colorado A Line" neither serves a CU campus, nor starts/terminates at one. RTD has yet to realize the clusterf*ck of confusion they are about to cause - especially to out-of-town visitors on the platforms at DIA.

They don't care, they got paid (plus some planner probably bullshitted the Board with the miracles of way finding). Since Coloradoans are too cheap to pay for anything, I'll support selling off naming rights to everything no matter how offensive, confusing or scared. CU could be called Coors University of Colorado for the right price. The memorial at Columbine could be called the Bushmaster Columbine Memorial. Hell, let's get a sponsor for Denver.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by wong21fr

They don't care, they got paid (plus some planner probably bullshitted the Board with the miracles of way finding). Since Coloradoans are too cheap to pay for anything, I'll support selling off naming rights to everything no matter how offensive, confusing or scared. CU could be called Coors University of Colorado for the right price. The memorial at Columbine could be called the Bushmaster Columbine Memorial. Hell, let's get a sponsor for Denver.

It's not the naming rights I'm concerned with; for all I care, the line could be called the "CenturyLink A-Line" or the "Dish Network A-Line". What concerns me is the insinuation that the train is somehow destined to an actual campus of the University of Colorado. It will most certainly have passengers double-checking and triple-checking the schedules and maps. "No lady, I'm sorry, this train does not go to Boulder".

Oh well, not my monkeys, not my circus. I'll still be driving anyways.

[FunctionForm]

Originally Posted by The Dirt

My biggest problem is that the parking is wrapped around the outside of the project. I'd rather see these buildings sitting right next to the sidewalk instead of 50 feet away. That alone precludes it from being a TOD.

50 feet? Wow.

[FunctionForm]

Originally Posted by Cirrus

You'd trade it all for four mid-height buildings in a suburban office park? Nothing else matters because you like how the facade looks from a distance?

Matt, in all your years on the forum, this post is the single best summary of... let's say of our "disagreements" over city-building.

From the city that has height limits around it's Union Station, we criticize a dense project in the suburbs? I'm perplexed.

[Cirrus]

I wasn't criticizing its height. I was criticizing the notion that it's more important to Denver than 100 miles of rapid transit. But apparently Matt was kidding so it doesn't matter.

[trubador]

Originally Posted by Matt

^ Get off at the Peoria Station, and take the future R line south. Still doesn't constitute a station stop on a CU campus. By the same measure, Union Station could be considered relatively close to the CU Auraria campus. The "University of Colorado A Line" neither serves a CU campus, nor starts/terminates at one. RTD has yet to realize the clusterf*ck of confusion they are about to cause - especially to out-of-town visitors on the platforms at DIA.

Oh come on, it is super easy. Just transfer at the Peoria station after the R line finishes and take it to the Fitzsimmons station. Walk across Fitzsimons Parkway. My secret is to cut across the golf course, then walk through the 21 Fitzsimmons apartment, past the retail located in front of it. Cross Montview, then go past the library and Pharmacy school and take a quick shortcut through building 500 and after a few more parking lots, you are right there. Only a little over a mile from the station to the hospital.

or take it to the Colfax station and have a nice stoll down Colfax to the entrance of the hospital, it is only .8 of a mile.

Talk about real TOD

[hammersklavier]

Originally Posted by DownhomeDenver

It's a 5 minute walk for christ's sake. If you're not happy with the 15 feet of missing sidewalk, walk through the parking lot or cross the street. Then you can cross back to enter the new through street, since the traffic circle will be removed and extended to Orchard. Furthermore, with this development, I'm sure the missing sidewalk would be remedied.

So, I guess what you're all saying is that if I took the East Line (I refuse to call it the Colorado University whatever line) to Union Station and then walked 5 minutes to the Davita HQ--that would be considered transit adjacent?

You're missing the point. A lack of continuous sidewalk impedes wayfinding. It's also a major issue for the disabled. Not having a continuous sidewalk communicates "Don't walk here" ... which means people are more likely to drive and hence less likely to take transit. It's details like this that matter when figuring out whether a project is truly transit-oriented or merely transit-adjacent.

[bunt_q]

Originally Posted by hammersklavier

You're missing the point. A lack of continuous sidewalk impedes wayfinding. It's also a major issue for the disabled.

Do you think your average Denverite cares about these things? We are all mid-20s, male, bearded to keep warm in the cold and rain, rich, and healthy. We don't need cars, we don't need transit, we don't need sidewalks. All of humanity should be able to transport itself by sheer chutzpah, a fat tired bicycle, and pants tight enough to not get caught in anything. If you can't keep up, you are superfluous.

[RaspberryD]

Originally Posted by bunt_q

Do you think your average Denverite cares about these things? We are all mid-20s, male, bearded to keep warm in the cold and rain, rich, and healthy. We don't need cars, we don't need transit, we don't need sidewalks. All of humanity should be able to transport itself by sheer chutzpah, a fat tired bicycle, and pants tight enough to not get caught in anything. If you can't keep up, you are superfluous.

As a mid-20 with many similar age friends (all car owners as well as transit users )... That's a gross exaggeration. Like... Why so angry?

[Cirrus]

He's trolling.

[seventwenty]

Bunt never trolls.

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