NEW YORK | 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt) | 1,581 FT | 92 FLOORS

[chris08876]

Just a compilation of slides from todays CB5 Meeting; For anybody who missed it or doesn't feel like scrolling through a ton of updates or posts. Bookmark this post.

" http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9178659&postcount=781 "

[Submariner]

Can us lowly building nerds give our input publicly?

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Submariner

Can us lowly building nerds give our input publicly?

Sure you can. I sent commentary in on the draft scope.

[Crawford]

I think there's a chance there will be a spire, or some kind of "surprise" top.

I mean, this building is an obvious update of Chrysler, the top looks unfinished, and a spire wouldn't could towards the allowable building envelope. It would be the perfect 21st century homage. You know the architects have thought about it.

[Steely Dan]

Build it!

BUILD IT NOW!!!!!

[gramsjdg]

Looks way better than I was expecting given the massing. Considering all the open space at the top, they really have no excuse for anything below 1646'. I think (hope) the reason they are showing it closer to 1500' in the renders is to get it approved as quickly as possible (making it appear closer in height to the surrounding buildings to appease NIMBY's). The base definitely complements NYC. I don't think this needs a spire, actually; they just better not cut the height. Entirely too much of that has been going on over the last number of years. This could be the first 500m tall building in the US. (sorry 1WTC, spires may count but not spantennas)

[gramsjdg]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Build it!

BUILD IT NOW!!!!!

Dew it!

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by Crawford

the top looks unfinished, and a spire wouldn't could towards the allowable building envelope.

The top does sort of look unfinished. As much as a like it I didn't realize at first glance how open air it is. Not a real 1600' roof.

Looks way better than I was expecting given the massing. Considering all the open space at the top, they really have no excuse for anything below 1646'. I think (hope) the reason they are showing it closer to 1500' in the renders is to get it approved as quickly as possible (making it appear closer in height to the surrounding buildings to appease NIMBY's).

That's an interesting thought, I hope that's the case too because as is, if accurate the highest occupied floor looks about even with 1V spire, maybe a bit lower.



At the end of the day we're still spoiled and this is awesome

[chris08876]

The height is not determined yet. What was revealed is that the schematic comparing 1 Vandy to 175 Park (Grand Hyatt) is slightly smaller (Grand Hyatt). So this is probally a little over 1600'.

But that is to be determined, along with Crown lighting and tower lighting in general.

The render is not 100% to scale comparing it to 1 Vandy. Its actually smaller in the render.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by chris08876

The height is not determined yet. What was revealed is that the schematic comparing 1 Vandy to 175 Park (Grand Hyatt) is slightly smaller (Grand Hyatt). So this is probally a little over 1600'.

But that is to be determined, along with Crown lighting and tower lighting in general.

The render is not 100% to scale comparing it to 1 Vandy. Its actually smaller in the render.

Good to know, thanks!

[newyorker]

I really love the node and wink to Chrysler/Twin towers in the design.

I would like to see the top narrow out just a bit though.

[rgarri4]

Adjusted crown in my Model.

[NYguy]

^ Fantastic.


The crown reminds me of similar (not the same) topped towers. They could get more creative with the lighting.








https://www.kqed.org/arts/13832983/what-are-those-weird-images-on-top-of-the-salesforce-tower




https://www.jpinvestment.cn/mobileindex/mediacontent/id/476.html




https://hypebeast.com/2018/7/kaws-lotte-world-tower-light-installation




As far as the height goes, I imagine if floors are still in flux, the crown can stay exactly as it is, and the height could still change. But they're not seeking approval for any height. The biggest thorns with this building will always be what's happening at the ground level. I love that they have found a way to lift the building, creating transparency to Grand Central. But it's the amount of glass that could potentially be an issue. I don't want anyone outside of the design team screwing with the base, that includes LPC. This building is so much more than it had to be.


I just had a thought about some type of sculpture at the base of the stairs, something like the lions at the library, or the eagles of Grand Central. Just a thought.

[NYguy]

https://www.curbed.com/2021/02/first-look-at-175-park-avenue-the-grand-hyatts-replacement.html

The Tower Replacing the Grand Hyatt Is an Absolute Behemoth





By Christopher Bonano
FEB. 2, 2021

Today’s big architectural revelation, via the Commercial Observer, is 175 Park Avenue, which is not quite on Park Avenue. It’s the big building intended to replace the Grand Hyatt, the black glass prism at the corner of 42nd Street and Lexington Avenue, next door to Grand Central Terminal. And we do mean big: The 26-story Grand Hyatt is 295 feet tall, but its successor will be 1,646 feet high, with 2.2 million square feet of space. The Chrysler Building, face-to-face with it across Lexington Avenue, is just over 1,000 feet, with barely half the square footage inside. It will be pretty nearly overwhelmed by this new tower.

There’s no question that 175 Park is a bulky building. The architects, Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, have done what they can with setbacks, reducing the cross section every 15 floors or so as the structure rises to its latticework top. The form is meant to echo the stepped-back details of the Chrysler Building, a pattern that itself is sometimes known as “skyscraper Deco.” But the grace of that older tower comes in large part from its slim, almost needlelike proportions — the higher floors in particular are relatively small, and horizontal brick patterns make it look wider than it is. The new tower at 175 Park has the big floor plates that contemporary tenants demand (indeed, the new Midtown East zoning was explicitly written to encourage megabuildings like this), and what’s on view is less grace, more brawn. The big, ropy structural members gathered at the base are more of the same.

[Amanita]

^Aww hell yeah! I absolutely love this one!

[Visionist]

What a backhanded "review" by Curbed. No wonder I never go anywhere near them.

Would be nice if they're holding back a pointed crown to not draw ire in 9/11's 20th anniversary year. Let 1 WTC have its ten minutes and then wrestle it to the mat with an 1800' reveal next year. Stranger things have happened. Wishful thinking.

[dropdeaded209]

yeah you gotta wonder what is the bizarre reverence for not pushing past the stick on top of the towering mediocrity that is 1 WTC?

This baby is crying out for spectacular summit in place of a 1600-foot flattop. let's hope we get the refined crown this tower deserves...

[Sky88]

Evolution of this beautiful tower...

[Raysiri]

Are they going to make a drawing for the skyscraper Diagram? You know.. like a skyscraper height chart of the world’s tallest buildings? Because we’ve been seeing this for months and it is not in the chart yet though maybe someone draw one for us...

[Xing Lin]

The full-height design only got released a matter of hours ago, the illustrators need time to draw. There is also yet to be an entry on this site's database to file the drawing under.