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Old Posted Mar 16, 2021, 5:56 AM
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Looks very similar to some of the granite that was on the pillars on the Georgia and Homer sides.

I wonder where we might see some of that beautiful old red granite show up.




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I wonder if downtown Vancouver would ever see the concept of a "Food Hall" opening up if an old 60s warehouse were never in existence in the first place. Most likely not.
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Scout Magazine weighing in on QuadReal's plans for Vancouver's first Food Hall:


Vancouver’s First ‘Food Hall’ a Lost Opportunity?

By Andrew Morrison
Mar 16, 2021


This morning I read that QuadReal Property Group, currently refitting the iconic Canada Post building on West Georgia, had tasked the Joseph Richard Group (JRG) to create and manage a food hall on the building’s main floor.

The rude question must be asked: What the actual fuck could they possibly be thinking?

I’d heard rumours of a 26,000 sqft food hall possibly going into the ground floor of The Post. I’d been hoping they were true for good reason, not least for the gullets of the 6,000 Amazon workers who will toil above it. Modern food halls have so much potential, as we’ve seen in major North American cities like New York, Portland, Los Angeles and Toronto, where they’ve been springing up to critical acclaim in recent years. Think of them as grown-up, hyper-concentrated and discerning food courts that celebrate quality and a sense of place. They can squeeze a lot of talent, culture and deliciousness into one spot, making them an obvious draw to both locals and tourists alike. Vancouver, despite being one of the most exciting food cities in the country, had somehow yet to get on board, making confirmation of these whispers super exciting. This could have been a big deal.

But the more I read of the confirmation the more my brow furrowed. Why would a seemingly astute real estate company whose declared mission is to “create living and working environments that enhance the lives of the people and communities they serve”, pick a restaurant group like JRG to create and operate Vancouver’s first and only food hall?

I have nothing against the company that operates the burbs-only Townhall and S+L chain restaurants (plus a scattered collection of ghost kitchens and so-called “public houses”) but let’s be real: these are not original, inventive, or regionally representative establishments by any stretch of the most elastic imagination. As is the case with similarly uninspired operations like Browns Social House and Earls, I understand they serve a purpose and forgive them their flaws, but that doesn’t get me closer to understanding why a real estate behemoth that manages global assets totalling more than $18 billion would select JRG, a company that doesn’t even operate in Vancouver proper and – to date – has only ever demonstrated vision enough for what even the most forgiving food-lover would describe as cookie cutter bullshit.
Is it because the don’t want the complication that comes with multiple leases and multiple operators, even if they play in a tasty league that exceeds the capabilities of a single player like JRG? I understand the elegance and appeal of the economic simplicity, but they miss the point and forfeit the right to market it honestly as a “food hall” when they hire just one company to twirl all the tongs.

It makes me wonder if QuadReal gave the slightest shit when making this decision, which is especially a shame given how they’re headquartered in downtown Vancouver. I suppose sometimes the people in charge of decisions like this just don’t know what the hell they are doing and don’t concern themselves with the impact their ignorance might have. And I ask myself if that wasn’t the case here — some corporate flack in a skyscraper who still eats like a stoned teenager making a choice that no one cared or thought to second guess. A shame indeed, for if they didn’t know any better they should have tried much, much harder.

But who knows? JRG might surprise the hell out of everyone and knock this project out of the park. Given the hand Vancouver’s food scene has been dealt here I certainly hope so and suppose there’s a first time for everything. Still, I can’t help but suspect that this was a lost opportunity on a scale that has the potential to be genuinely embarrassing for all involved.

I want to be crystal clear that I’m not shitting on JRG here. They’re a wildly successful company that knows how to make money in a highly competitive industry. The truth is – and I hope regular readers of mine would recognize this – I would react with the exact same doubt and derision if QuadReal made the deal with Joey, Cactus Club, Milestones, or any of the other middling “casual fine dining” restaurant chains that Vancouver and its surrounding satellite cities currently suffer. They’re one and the same. And that’s the problem. The object of my frustration is the indifference of a powerful real estate company once again getting in the way of what’s best for Vancouver.

Source: https://scoutmagazine.ca/2021/03/16/...t-opportunity/
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Scout Magazine: "orthodoxy for hipster zealots"
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Old Posted Mar 17, 2021, 2:05 AM
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Maybe Amazon asked QuadReal for a service provider who wouldn't gouge their employees on a daily basis?

Ultimately, this has to be affordable to Amazon employees on a daily basis if it is to be successful (ie food court)
- not a once-in-a-while or a night-out place.

I doubt many will be eating lunch across the street at Aquafarina, despite it being top notch dining.

I haven't been to the Pacific Centre Food Court in years - despite working in TD Tower.
Once prices started approaching $10 for lunch a few (many) years back, I started bringing my lunch from home (it helps if you have a bar fridge in your office).
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The whole concept of a "Food Hall" being run by one single entity is just lip service to concept itself. So its going to be just one giant kitchen, with multiple fronts catered to different price points.

Back of the napkin prediction of what we'll get:

Generic JR Kitchen - Regular Line
GenericJR Restaurant Black -Upscale Line
GenericJR Kitchen Express - Fast Service, but not great value.
Generic JR Fusion - Same restaurant, menu limited to non-authentic world cuisine
Generic RJ Bar and Kitchen - Same restaurant, with focus on drinks and cocktails, change the name for a twist
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The whole concept of a "Food Hall" being run by one single entity is just lip service to concept itself. So its going to be just one giant kitchen, with multiple fronts catered to different price points.

Back of the napkin prediction of what we'll get:

Generic JR Kitchen - Regular Line
GenericJR Restaurant Black -Upscale Line
GenericJR Kitchen Express - Fast Service, but not great value.
Generic JR Fusion - Same restaurant, menu limited to non-authentic world cuisine
Generic RJ Bar and Kitchen - Same restaurant, with focus on drinks and cocktails, change the name for a twist
As mentioned you either sublease spaces to the usual suspects (A&W, Vinas etc). You spend a lot of time and effort for little reward to fill the space with notable restaurants or chefs in the city (Look at the New Westminster Quay). Or you lob it into the JRG Group and hope it doesn't explode in your face.

Pretty sure Amazing Brentwood/Oakridge will have better food options than The Post. And I'm pretty sure most people will end up getting food from Loblaws or walking outside.
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The whole concept of a "Food Hall" being run by one single entity is just lip service to concept itself. So its going to be just one giant kitchen, with multiple fronts catered to different price points.
In that case, put up a Horn & Hardart sign and run an Automat.
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Maybe Amazon asked QuadReal for a service provider who wouldn't gouge their employees on a daily basis?

Ultimately, this has to be affordable to Amazon employees on a daily basis if it is to be successful (ie food court)
- not a once-in-a-while or a night-out place.

I doubt many will be eating lunch across the street at Aquafarina, despite it being top notch dining.

I haven't been to the Pacific Centre Food Court in years - despite working in TD Tower.
Once prices started approaching $10 for lunch a few (many) years back, I started bringing my lunch from home (it helps if you have a bar fridge in your office).
Part of an article on how hard it is to cater to Amazon's campus employees:

https://www.businessinsider.in/amazo...w/62396204.cms

Full article:

https://www.businessinsider.com/amaz...failing-2018-1

Seems like when Amazon leased out their spaces they did try the high end approach for some of the units versus getting. Along with supporting food trucks.

https://seattle.eater.com/2019/11/27...edy-early-2020

The Pacific Centre food court is still pretty much a 90s food court in terms of the vendors.

https://www.cfshops.com/pacific-cent...rtainment.html
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Maybe Amazon asked QuadReal for a service provider who wouldn't gouge their employees on a daily basis?

Ultimately, this has to be affordable to Amazon employees on a daily basis if it is to be successful (ie food court)
- not a once-in-a-while or a night-out place.

I doubt many will be eating lunch across the street at Aquafarina, despite it being top notch dining.

I haven't been to the Pacific Centre Food Court in years - despite working in TD Tower.
Once prices started approaching $10 for lunch a few (many) years back, I started bringing my lunch from home (it helps if you have a bar fridge in your office).
Amazon's executives and clientele can dine at the Aquafarina.

As for the foodhall, it can have a mixture of some fine-dining, mid-range and even fast food type stalls. The area is huge and a different mix can occur there. At least such a space is created, and if JRG fails, other groups can fill the vacuum. I'm excited for the area.


Toronto has some nice food halls:

Google Building's Assembly:
https://www.chefshall.ca/

Eataly:
https://www.eataly.ca/

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Thanks for the Seattle Amazon story.
The one thing that may help finer dining establishments at The Post is the QE Theatre, Rogers Arena and BC Place nearby,
but the stadium crowds aren't as lucrative as you might think.

Once the Amazon employees discover the VCC cafeteria (never been, myself) they'll probably go there.

WRT Pacific Centre, yeah, it's had a similar selection since the 1990s.
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Thanks for the Seattle Amazon story.
The one thing that may help finer dining establishments at The Post is the QE Theatre, Rogers Arena and BC Place nearby,
but the stadium crowds aren't as lucrative as you might think.

Once the Amazon employees discover the VCC cafeteria (never been, myself) they'll probably go there.

WRT Pacific Centre, yeah, it's had a similar selection since the 1990s.
Or you look at Yaletown and how SAP subsidized their employees to go eat at restaurants in the neighbourhood. Not sure if that still exists or not.

Back in 2011

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SAP estimates it will inject $1.9 million per year into the local economy with a deal that turns some of Yaletown’s hottest eateries into de facto cafeterias for the business software giant’s Vancouver employees. SAP Vancouver on Wednesday announced a new food program, ‘Lunch On Us’, that will make dining in Yaletown an employee perk.

“Each employee who signs up will receive a prepaid card loaded with a specific amount of funds, redeemable to buy meals at participating restaurants in the Yaletown area, including: Glowbal, The New Oxford, Blue Water Café, Yaletown Brewing Company, Society and Urban Thai Bistro, to name a few,” according to a news release. “I wanted to offer our sophisticated ‘foodie’ employees incredible variety and value, as well as something no Vancouver company has ever done before,” SAP Vancouver managing director Kirsten Sutton said in the release.
Amazon doesn't do the free food perk.
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From the Vancouver Sun...



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Historic Vancouver post office artworks saved, cleaned up and will be reinstalled

Historic post office artworks, including one that was long hidden from view, will have prominent public locations in the redevelopment

John Mackie
Publishing date:Mar 16, 2021


Orville Fisher's mural for the Vancouver Post Office at 349 West Georgia, which opened in 1958.
The mural depicts the way mail has been moved, such as by stagecoach, train and plane.
It will be installed in a new mixed-use project at the site. PHOTO BY CHERYLE HARRISON
Source: https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...be-reinstalled

Many Vancouverites remember the giant bas-relief sculpture of a postman that used to grace the southwest corner of the Vancouver post office at 349 West Georgia.

But few know that artist Orville Fisher also did a magnificent mural for the building.


It was tucked away in the employee entrance. “It was in a really crummy location,” said the artist’s son Ron Fisher. “Not only was it behind glass, but it was behind two layers of glass. There were two sets of doors.”


“The Postman is going back on the outside of the building,” explains Don Luxton, the heritage consultant for the project. “We’re not sure about the (location of) the cornerstone, it’s going to go in the public areas. The mural and tile mural are going up basically where Homer Street opens up, it’s going to be a food court/public area.”
This will finally give the masses a chance to see the Orville Fisher mural, a lovely piece that blends a variety of images in muted colours.
“It’s supposed to represent all the different ways of carrying mail and messages,” explains Ron Fisher, who lives in Qualicum Beach. “The big symbol in the middle is the god Mercury, who was the messenger of the gods. All around it is everything from diesel trains to steam trains to airplanes to boats, sailing ships and the Pony Express, that kind of thing.”


The art works are now being conserved, cleaned and stored in Harrison’s Nanaimo studio. The Postman may be reinstalled this year, but on the Hamilton Street side of the building, not the Homer Street side. The first tower should be done in the spring of 2022, the second in fall of 2022, and the project will open in 2023.
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I love artwork like that, and am just hoping someone doesn't shriek "COLONIALISM" and get it torn down.
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It's like the corner space at Vancouver Centre.
Which did it "better"?
It was never busy as an exclusive Birks, nor as an intellectual bookstore (neither Bollums, nor Duthie's),
but it's always busy as a London Drugs.
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The floorplate has stepped-in on the south tower -
they're near the top now.

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Can't wait to see how the podium turns out. They don't have to do much to make it look good. I've always been a fan of it.
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