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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 3:22 PM
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I still think it makes no sense. If they think EM wants to sell, they can fly to the Bahamas this afternoon, buy the team, get it approved at the board of governors meeting coming up and assume the sens bid for the flats (with their coors attraction if they want).

If they don't think he wants to sell I can't see the willingness will increase after they piss all over his plans.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 3:36 PM
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Interesting things going on here.

Quebec City is trying to bring back an NHL team. Yet two of the wealthiest families in the Province of Quebec are not putting their money behind the QC bid but are making a longshot bid for Lebreton Flats, with the intention of wresting ownership of the Senators away from Melnyk.
It seems like a futile gamble to most of us. However, the Canadian Billionaires' Club is a small closed group whose conversations we are not privy to. One has to think that Desmarais and Laliberte know a lot more about what is going on behind the scenes than we do.

Could it be that an eventual partnership between Melnyk and the Montreal Billionaires is in the works? The Senators lose money. Businessmen like to have partners that will assume some of their financial risks.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 3:47 PM
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The LAC hasn't ruled out any of the proposed city locations for the new central library, including the property at Lebreton.

The automotive museum is a surprise--don't know who'd be sponsoring it, we'll have to wait and see what's in the complete announcement next week. I'd prefer if they'd increase the scope, maybe a transportation museum. Or industrial inventions and design, like the Paris Musée des Arts et Métiers. Most likely not in the cards, but I can dream.

Since it's close to the War Museum, and not far from the History Museum (the former Museum of Civilization across the bridge in Gatineau), it's a prime spot for another museum.

The new Y building is badly needed, and I'll forgive them every other concept included in the deal if they can include a grocery store in there somewhere. They must also have additional commercial space included in the design.... Restaurant space and so on?

The botanical garden sounds a bit redundant to me because of the Experimental Farm gardens next to Dow's Lake. But I would very much like to see a real landscaped park -- not just blank lawns dotted with trees. Along with a newly constructed riverfront beach. If they do this right, it could be a fun mixed-use entertainment park.
A new museum celebrating Canadian invention, technology and design would seem much more appropriate than an automotive museum.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 3:53 PM
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Everything is for sale when the price is right and Melnyk saying he will never sale the team is just another ploy to get the most money he can get.

Automotive museum makes sense.
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A new museum celebrating Canadian invention, technology and design would seem much more appropriate than an automotive museum.
A new HQ for the Canadian Space Agency with an associated museum/display space would seem appropriate for the National Capital.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 4:15 PM
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Everything is for sale when the price is right and Melnyk saying he will never sale the team is just another ploy to get the most money he can get.
This guy agrees

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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 5:46 PM
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Ottawa Senators sale a key factor in LeBreton Flats bid
Billionaires André Desmarais, Guy Laliberté named as key financial backers for DCDLS bid

Jamie Long · CBC News · Jan 23, 2016


You don't buy an NHL team if you don't have a rink to play in — or at least have one in the works — and you don't build a rink without a team.

That's why Devcore Group, which includes architects, builders and developers, is believed to have recruited two of the wealthiest Canadians in their bid to redevelop LeBreton Flats, a valuable parcel of real estate just west of downtown Ottawa.

There's every reason to believe the group will make an offer to buy the Ottawa Senators from Eugene Melnyk.

Billionaire André Desmarais, one of Canada's richest people, is backing the bid. Major players in the bidding process also say Guy Laliberté is on board.

Desmarais is the son of the late Paul Desmarais, once the wealthiest man in Quebec, whose estate was worth about $5.6 billion US in 2015. Laliberté is a co-founder of Cirque du Soleil, and was worth $2.1 billion US in 2015, according to Forbes.

Laliberté, who recently sold most of his shares in Cirque du Soleil, has been cast as a potential NHL owner for several years.

Desmarais, the chairman and CEO of Power Corporation in Montreal, was born in Ottawa and the family name is rooted in the capital. The University of Ottawa has a 12-storey building on campus named in his father's honour.

Devcore Group also features Montreal developers Broccolini and Canderel, construction firm Pomerleau, plus three architects — Richard Brisbin, Claude Provencher and Moriyama & Teshima.

The head of Devcore Group, Jean-Pierre Poulin, dodged the question this week when asked if his group hopes to buy the Senators from Melnyk.

It's worth noting NCC rules dictate neither group can reveal details of their plans publicly or to a third party.

Poulin only said a lot of things are being said "on the street."

"The best is really, you know, to wait and come to see the presentation and what we were able to put together for those two days there," Poulin said, referring to the two days of presentations to the NCC.

"I think it's going to be very exciting and we're really excited to see and to hear what everybody has to say about it."

Desmarais and Laliberté would bring the money necessary to not only redevelop LeBreton Flats — at minimum 9.3 hectares and at most about 21 hectares — but also buy an NHL team.

Melnyk and the Senators are the billionaires' only rivals for LeBreton Flats, running under the name Rendez Vous LeBreton Group. The extent of their development team has not been revealed, but reports have indicated Windmill Developments — proponents of the adjacent Zibi project — and architect Barry Hobin are involved.

Melnyk has been steadfast, insisting his Senators will not play at LeBreton Flats if DCDLS wins the right to redevelop the land, and he refuses to sell the team.

"The long and short of it is the team is not for sale, never will be in my lifetime, for sure. Number two: you can't come into my territory. What's a matter with you? Like, who is going to play there?" Melnyk told media last month.

This statement is classic business strategy. Melnyk must know if he even hints at selling the Senators, the value of the team will surely drop. He knows how to play that game.

On Tuesday, both groups will present their redevelopment plans to the National Capital Commission before the public catches a glimpse on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Some members of DCDLS have already been active in Ottawa. Some insiders have seen tentative — though detailed — plans, while a meeting is scheduled with Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson for Monday.

CBC News also learned Melnyk was busy calling some Ottawa city councillors on Friday, but the purpose of those calls isn't known.

What is known, is there is no value in owning an NHL-style arena without an NHL franchise to play there.

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/o...sale-1.3416125
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 5:52 PM
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Interesting things going on here.

Quebec City is trying to bring back an NHL team. Yet two of the wealthiest families in the Province of Quebec are not putting their money behind the QC bid but are making a longshot bid for Lebreton Flats, with the intention of wresting ownership of the Senators away from Melnyk.
It seems like a futile gamble to most of us. However, the Canadian Billionaires' Club is a small closed group whose conversations we are not privy to. One has to think that Desmarais and Laliberte know a lot more about what is going on behind the scenes than we do.

Could it be that an eventual partnership between Melnyk and the Montreal Billionaires is in the works? The Senators lose money. Businessmen like to have partners that will assume some of their financial risks.
From the NHL's perspective, it's far easier to buy an existing team than to lobby the league's governors and owners to permit an expansion of the league, and the possible realignment required.

I'm not so sure this is a longshot at all. Melnyk is getting older and his health isn't so great these days. He's just playing his cards close to his chest.
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Old Posted Jan 23, 2016, 6:49 PM
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From the NHL's perspective, it's far easier to buy an existing team than to lobby the league's governors and owners to permit an expansion of the league, and the possible realignment required.

I'm not so sure this is a longshot at all. Melnyk is getting older and his health isn't so great these days. He's just playing his cards close to his chest.
Not to mention the Sens are worth US $380 million. This for an established team, arena/land (that could be sold for CAN $120+), charitable organization, brand, history and all other assets included. They would also get a huge swath of prime real-estate in the centre of the Federal Capital.

A new Québec franchise would be US $650 million just to earn the right to own a team in a smaller market (though probably comparable considering the Ottawa market is split in to three camps, however Québec might be split in two). Then you have to build a team using rejects form around the league, a brand, an administration, find a coach, GM... Sure you have a brand new arena, but it's not built to someone else's specification, in a fairly bad location with a lesser opportunity for development.

Oh, and maybe Desmarais and Laliberté don't want to work with a Seperatist* bastard who, not only is a competitor in the media industry, but also takes every opportunity to bash PowerCorp.

By buying the Senators, your miles ahead of whoever invests in the Nordiques 2.0.

* Not putting every separatist/sovereignist in the same boat. Some of them, including one of my best friends, can have a civil debate and respect the Federalists views and opinions.
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A new museum celebrating Canadian invention, technology and design would seem much more appropriate than an automotive museum.
Sounds like the long-lost Canada and the world pavilion on Sussex.
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An automotive museum in Ottawa makes no sense. There's no auto industry here, and I don't think there ever has been.
You might be surprised. Ever heard of QNX? Or Apple?
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that said, I would think a railway museum would be a better for "national lands"
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that said, I would think a railway museum would be a better for "national lands"
It could be pretty cool as a transportation museum instead of just a automotive museum. So automotive + trains + planes. etc etc
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It could be pretty cool as a transportation museum instead of just a automotive museum. So automotive + trains + planes. etc etc
To move trains you need heavy rail track. If the CTSM is to split off like this, the train collection is the least likely to move. PLUS, train aficionados are obsessive and will happily go out to St Laurent to see them.
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car museums are always big draws and I am sure that there could be a good selection of Canadian models not found in other museums.
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I wonder if the cars in that museum would come from Laliberté's own collection?
http://www.mtlblog.com/2014/09/cirqu...-in-montreal/#

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Renowned for his mass selection of swanky rides, Laliberté has a whole thread devoted to his car collection on MontrealRacing.com. Laliberté’s garage is also said to house a Modena 360, Bently Coupe, Ferrari Enzo, Maserati GranTurismo and a Batmobile. Okay, that last one wasn’t true, but if anyone in Montreal owned a high-tech bat car, it’d be Laliberté.
Or Desmarais' father's collection?
http://www.rcinet.ca/fr/2013/10/09/d...aul-desmarais/

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Amoureux des arts, il a amassé en trois quarts de siècle l’une des plus importantes collections privées de tableaux au Canada. Il possédait aussi plusieurs voitures de luxe.
* Not sure how many luxury cars he has though... I'm assuming André Desmarais has his own collection as well(?)
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2016, 4:17 AM
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Less than 48 hours until all is revealed...anyone planning to attend on Tuesday?
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Old Posted Jan 25, 2016, 4:53 AM
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I'll be there! I wouldn't miss it!
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Yep. I'll definitely be there.
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I'm making my way down from Montreal to see it! Even if it's a disappointment, it'll be an important disappointment.
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