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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 3:09 AM
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Great update! To me it the falls look kinda weak and transparent. The renderings made the falls look more profound, im a little disappointed...what do you think?
I agree with this concern, but perhaps I need to see more straight on views. Looks like there is some sort of array of small flumes that facilitate the flow and spray of the water. Perhaps this is adjustable?
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 3:48 AM
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Let's get the falls fully operational before we jump to conclusions.
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Yea, I second NYGuy...it's a test. I'm sure they can adjust the flow rate greatly. For all we know, they're operating the falls at minimal power just to make sure there aren't any leaks/break this baby in.

With that said, my fingers are crossed that the flow rate will be doubled from these pictures at the absolute very least. And I think they will be...
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Ny Guy Said It Best....its Only The Testing Stages.....still A Long Way To Go !!!!!!!
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 4:46 AM
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The head of the foundation overseeing the memorial, Joe Daniels, said that even though Tuesday's tests were aimed at assessing the flow and circulation of the water, the aesthetics were "stunning."

"It's really what the memorial is - the falling water and the sound," he said, adding it would "create the peaceful place that we hoped it would be."

The tests, which began about 11 a.m. and continued throughout the day, focused largely on eight pumps that will circulate 52,000 gallons of water a minute. During the testing, more than 350,000 gallons of water streamed into the north pool.

Testing of the waterfalls of the south pool is expected to begin in the spring of 2011, almost 10 years after Islamic extremists destroyed the World Trade Center and killed nearly 2,800 people on Sept. 11.

In January, a 40-foot-wide waterfall mock-up was created and tested in a field in Brooklyn to get the right veil of water over a small dam with fingerlike structures that make the water flow in rivulets.
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The Freedom Tower, center, is reflected in a pool of water at the National September 11 Memorial, Tuesday, Nov. 9, 2010 at the World Trade Center site in New York.




Streams of water pour over the edge of a National September 11 Memorial pool during a test of the waterfalls
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...HJ?photo_num=3



A cascading waterfall was described "a nice, peaceful background, like the sound of the ocean."
Construction of the memorial is on track to be finished in time for next year's 10th anniversary.




A worker stands in water as he inspects the waterfall. The water will be chemically treated, like a swimming pool, and heated during winter.




A workman walks along the corner of the waterfall. Engineers were testing pumping pressure and making adjustments to ensure the correct flow of water through the fountains..




Streams of water pour over the edge of the pool, as sunlight is reflected from nearby buildings. The Freedom Tower, One World Trade Center, is top left.




A flag flies over one of the 1-acre pools. The memorial will use 16 pumps to circulate the 480,000 gallons of recycled water.





http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...ZnQXglL8bnU68I
9/11 memorial's fountains flow

By TOM TOPOUSIS
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The rebirth of the World Trade Center took a spectacular turn yesterday when one of the memorial's two massive fountains roared to life for the first time.

"It was absolutely stunning," said Joseph Daniels, president of the 9/11 Memorial. "The way the sunlight played on the water, and the sound. It was perfect."

The fountain, where the north tower of the World Trade Center once stood, was undergoing tests of the massive pumping systems that will blast 26,000 gallons a minute over the 30-foot deep black granite walls.

Daniels, who happened upon the test yesterday, said the sight of the water filling the 1-acre pool was awe-inspiring after years of planning and building.

Construction workers from around the site paused to look and listen during the tests as engineers below the memorial plaza monitored and adjusted the 16 pumps that will circulate 480,000 gallons of recycled water.

During the design phase of the memorial, there were concerns that the fountains might be too loud. But Daniels said the sound of the cascading water yesterday created "a nice, peaceful background, like the sound of the ocean."


"It's perfect. It's not overwhelming at all," Daniels said.

A second fountain over the footprint of the south tower will be ready for testing later this year. A spokesman for the Port Authority, which is overseeing construction of the $500 million memorial, said yesterday's trial run went very well.

The two fountains together make up the nation's largest manmade waterfalls, and are at the heart of the design of the memorial, called Reflecting Absence.

Paula Berry, a 9/11 family member who served on the 13-member jury that picked the memorial design by Michael Arad, was ecstatic about the test run.

"The presence of water is incredibly important at the memorial," said Berry. "When you think of the memorial's name, Reflecting Absence, you have to have the means to reflect and the water plays that role."

But Berry said the sound of the water rushing over the sides of the fountains could very well be one of the most lasting impressions visitors take away.


Yesterday's tests lasted a few hours, and will be repeated as needed.

Construction of the memorial remains on schedule for its planned opening next Sept. 11 -- the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks.

More than 50 of the plaza's 400 trees have been planted so far.

The reflecting pools covering the exact footprints of the Twin Towers will be surrounded by the names of all the victims of the 2001 and 1993 attacks, etched into a bronze parapet that will be back-lit so the names can be read at night.

Arad's design, which has been revised over the years in consultation with architect Peter Walker, was picked from an international competition that drew 5,201 submissions from 63 nations and 49 states.

Berry said watching the project come together leaves her believing more than ever that the right design was selected for the project, which will cover nearly half of the 16-acre World Trade Center site.

"The design has grown since it was first selected, and the various alterations and changes have just made it better," she said.

Combined, the two fountains will circulate a total of 52,000 gallons of water per minute. Chemically treated like water in a swimming pool, and heated so that it can run through winter, the water will surge at four feet per second.

The entire volume of each fountain will circulate through the system every 22 minutes. And the fountains are designed to filter out coins in the likely event that visitors toss them into the pools of water.

Engineers yesterday were testing pumping pressure and making adjustments to ensure the correct flow of water through the fountains.

"The testing today went well, and it is an important sign of progress, but our work is by no means complete," said PA Executive Director Christopher Ward.

"September 11, 2011, is the only goal that matters, and for the next 306 days, we will continue to keep our heads down and locked in on delivering the sacred heart of the site."

Officially called the National Sept. 11 Memorial, the site will include a 9/11 museum below the plaza, scheduled to open a year after the memorial.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2010, 4:17 PM
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Yea, I second NYGuy...it's a test. I'm sure they can adjust the flow rate greatly. For all we know, they're operating the falls at minimal power just to make sure there aren't any leaks/break this baby in.

With that said, my fingers are crossed that the flow rate will be doubled from these pictures at the absolute very least. And I think they will be...
You may be right. I just noticed that the water has not been spilling over into the smaller 2nd drop in the middle of the falls. This could mean that the pressure is not at full capacity.
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2010, 12:34 AM
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I don't think anyone else posted this here, lots of pics of the north and south plate girders being made as well as the "East Box Girder".

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Old Posted Nov 11, 2010, 12:46 AM
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You may be right. I just noticed that the water has not been spilling over into the smaller 2nd drop in the middle of the falls. This could mean that the pressure is not at full capacity.
It's going to take weeks to get the flow adjusted untell the designer says it's just right. (BTW, there are drains around the smaller hole, that is why it is not spilling in, those drains would be shut during normal opperations.)
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2010, 4:56 AM
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I didn't know this was called Reflecting Absence. Good to know
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Old Posted Nov 11, 2010, 1:44 PM
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If you look really hard, you can see more water testing in the falls...


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Not used to seeing the Hudson so close to West Street...









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CNN video of the falls

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/...ortauth?hpt=C2

Looks extremely weak...I really hope this test isn't close to the finished project.
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Brookfield certainly has shown great leadership with that huge swimming pool they have. First it was a "small leak" that was drained the same day. Then it was a problem with the caulking, and it's been sitting there for what is it, a week now?
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Brookfield certainly has shown great leadership with that huge swimming pool they have.
That's a new aquarium feature they've been planning. Visitors exiting the WTC connector will emerge through various Hudson River/Atlantic Ocean sealife. Could be a great attraction...
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At first I didn't like how it was a line of small streams as opposed to a massive wall of water, but it actually seems to reference to the cladding of the towers. Its grown on me.
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At first I didn't like how it was a line of small streams as opposed to a massive wall of water, but it actually seems to reference to the cladding of the towers. Its grown on me.
I'm still on the fence about it. I mean, it just looks weak like the guy mentioned above. I'll wait until next year, when it's open to make my final thought on it
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From what I have herd and from what I know about it from the prints and spec's the flow of water that we have seen to date is far lower than maximum, and is certainly lower than the final design.

For some reason the water is not being allowed to fall into the center small void, maybe it's not finished and ready. They are keeping the flow low enough that it does not over-top the parapet and fall into the small void.

PS: Once the weir on the small void is in place the water in the large void well be about 18 inches deep. (For now it's about 6 or 7 inches deep.)
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Does anyone know what those dark tiles are in the middle of the pool? I don't think those are drains, as those would make sense around the parapet of the second void - not in the middle of the pool.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2010, 2:14 AM
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I have herded everything from "They are upside down tiles covering lights" to "just some tiles left on top for now".

At any rate, they are most likely not permanent.
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Spiral in the pool

Some views of the water flowing in the pool show the formatiion of a spiral created by the flow. Think this will be a feature or something which can be mitigated? Not in any of the renders. Then again it could be mesmerizing.

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