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As we wait to see what comes to the site, a look at the current building, and the block with some context.



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The architecture in this area is incredible.
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I wonder if the new structure will retain the back courtyard or if it will be added to the building's footprint.

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I wonder if the new structure will retain the back courtyard or if it will be added to the building's footprint.
It's probably more likely the courtyard won't remain, at least not in full. We may even get something like this, but it's all just speculation at this point...



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Nice if we could get 625, 655, and 800 in this shot (multiple others as well)...


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Meanwhile, a somewhat similar story plays out next door, though not for demolition...


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/16/business/lutnick-pierre-hotel.html

The Commerce Secretary, a Gilded Hotel and Claims of a Secret Plan





By Michael Rothfeld, Maureen Farrell and Jodi Kantor
September 16, 2025


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For nearly a century, the Pierre has stood as a symbol of opulence overlooking Central Park. Inspired by the Palace of Versailles, it was home to some of the most wealthy and powerful people in one of the most gilded ZIP codes in America.

.....The board, under the guidance of Newmark, has reached the final stages of negotiations to sell the Pierre for roughly $2 billion. The Khashoggis, a prominent Saudi family, would provide at least some of the funding for the purchase, while the Dorchester Collection, a luxury hotel company owned by the sultanate of Brunei, would most likely manage the building after an extensive renovation, two people familiar with the deal said.

If this sale happens, all of the Pierre’s residents could be forced to move out, including Michael Eisner, the former chief of Disney; Tory Burch, the fashion designer; and Shari Redstone, who recently sold her company, Paramount. Princess Firyal of Jordan also owns an apartment there.
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Mr. Lutnick, 64, is a relatively recent arrival to the Pierre, a former bond trader who bought his penthouse in 2017. He has never moved in.
Many other residents, by contrast, hail from an older generation of New York’s elite, including the producer of the film “Raging Bull” and the former chief executive of Coca-Cola. Some have poured out their anger and dismay over the building’s condition and the possible sale in reams of group emails, many of which were obtained by The New York Times.
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“I am an 84-year-old widow with no family and have just redone my apartment at great expense,” Tina Beriro, who has lived in her apartment overlooking Central Park for two decades, wrote in one message. “To find new accommodations and go through the trauma, exhaustion and money involved in a move would seriously affect my health, well-being, and finances.”

The Pierre is a rare breed of co-op. It has a mix of both permanent residents and overnight guests, who can book a room for the night or host a wedding in one of its grand ballrooms or rotunda.

Permanent residents get the same daily housekeeping, room service and other amenities as hotel guests. Over the years, glamorous figures like Elizabeth Taylor, Audrey Hepburn and Coco Chanel have lived or stayed at the Pierre.
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A spokesman for Dorchester said neither the company nor the sultan had a contract to operate the Pierre, but would be interested “to have a property in New York should the right opportunity arise.” Representatives for the Khashoggis could not be reached.

In private conversations with directors around the beginning of this year, some Pierre residents were told how they might be affected by some of the contemplated changes.

In one possible scenario, revealed by Mr. Stern and Mr. Johnson in a letter to residents in March, the “potential operator,” whom they did not name, might concentrate hotel rooms on lower floors and try to relocate residents to upper floors, after extensive renovations.

The directors did not yet acknowledge another scenario that residents were beginning to fear: a purchase of the whole building, requiring them to move out for good.
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In late July, the Pierre’s board called an emergency meeting on Zoom. They offered few specifics, but directors and consultants made the case for a sale, portraying the building’s condition as dire. Restoring it could be astronomically expensive, they said, requiring people to move out for a time anyway.

With none of the residents muted, the call quickly devolved into a morass of heated questions, speeches and interruptions, three people who attended said.

Lois Chiles, 78, a model and actress who became famous in the 1970s, lamented about renovations she had done without knowing she might have to leave.

Tory Burch, 59, the fashion executive, spoke of how much she loved her apartment, whose velvet walls and autumn-hued living room she showed off in a British Vogue spread.


As Mr. Eisner pleaded with others to wait for an actual proposal, people talked over him.

At Wednesday’s co-op meeting, shareholders are expected to hear a presentation about the proposal to sell.


So many soap operas playing out across New York real estate. But maybe when they see the details of the proposed "sexiest condo building in New York" across the street, some would be open to moving.



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https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estat...-landlords-turn-building-grade-inflation


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It’s not just office buildings that have become involved in class warfare. Residential buildings can take on letter grades of their own.

Brokers anticipate the next development in this particular form of class consciousness will occur at 800 Fifth Ave. There, a 33-story, 208-unit residential tower was acquired last month by Naftali Group for $800 million from Eliot Spitzer, and the plan is to replace the rental building with a “sexy” condominium tower, the New York Post reported.

Thanks to its “unmatchable” location overlooking Central Park and apartment prices expected to exceed $10,000 per square foot, Douglas Elliman broker Frances Katzen is confident the new tower’s grade will boldly go where none has gone before.

“It’s going to an A+++ building,” Katzen said. “As in A-triple-plus.”
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Meanwhile, a somewhat similar story plays out next door, though not for demolition...


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/16/business/lutnick-pierre-hotel.html

The Commerce Secretary, a Gilded Hotel and Claims of a Secret Plan


By Michael Rothfeld, Maureen Farrell and Jodi Kantor
September 16, 2025


A follow up on the soap opera next door...



https://pagesix.com/2025/09/25/society/contentious-board-meeting-rocks-pierre/

‘Contentious’ board meeting rocks luxe Pierre as residents battle over $2B proposal to buy famed hotel





By Ian Mohr
Sep. 25, 2025


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A Sept. 17 board meeting at the famous co-op and hotel overlooking Central Park at East 61st Street — where residents have included Liz Taylor, Yves Saint Laurent and Aristotle Onassis — was so star-studded, sources tell us, that many residents of the storied building were left slack-jawed at all the VIPs they didn’t know were their neighbors.

“It was a super important meeting. It was a mash-up” of the rich and famous, said an insider, noting that the A-listers don’t usually appear at the building’s meetings.

“I had no idea Art Garfunkel lived here,” one gobsmacked tenant, who’s lived at the famed address for decades, told Page Six.
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But the Sept. 17 board meeting featured anything but “The Sound of ­Silence.”

“The meeting was contentious,” said a person familiar with the scene.

Residents include billionaire fashion mogul Tory Burch, former building board member Eisner, US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick and Shari Redstone, fresh off the Paramount Skydance deal.

Lutnick owns the largest unit at the Pierre — a 12,000-square-foot triplex penthouse he bought in 2017 for $44 million — but he’s never actually moved in.

In a recent New York Times article, Lutnick was cast as leading a charge to sell the once-grand property in a $2 billion deal that could be a windfall for his former real estate firm.

The Times sub-headline on the property read, “Some residents of the Pierre claim that Howard Lutnick, who owns the penthouse, was part of a plot to sell off this symbol of Manhattan glamour and wealth.”

Lutnick’s former real estate firm, Newmark Group, came on to advise the building, and a proposal has now been made by the Saudi Khashoggi family to buy it. The pact would see the property renovated and possibly managed by the Sultan of Brunei’s Dorchester Collection, the luxe hospitality chain behind the Beverly Hills Hotel in LA, Le Meurice in Paris and the Dorchester in London.
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But that deal — à la the Waldorf-Astoria — would force all the tenants to move out, though a source tells Page Six some could stand to make four to five times their initial investments on their properties, depending on how many shares they own in the co-op.

Reports have said Newmark could make tens of millions from a Pierre sale at $2 billion.

But the plan to sell the hotel has caused a bitter rift in the building. Seen as leading the resistance is Burch — known for her aspirational preppy fashion brand — who combined two apartments at the hotel in 2001.

She raised her now-grown kids at the address, and apparently got animated at the board meeting.

A source told Page Six of the scene: “Tory lost her usual cool and reserved demeanor at a meeting of the Pierre hotel’s shareholders on Wednesday.”
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The insider added: “Tory, polite at first, raised her voice and was clearly angry about the ‘fast’-moving deal that would displace her from the apartment where she has lived for about two decades.”

Others confirmed Burch’s ire to us where “Tory got progressively madder . . . There were dozens of shareholders in the private meeting room, with others joining in by Zoom.”

Multiple sources said Burch told the board she had learned more from the Times article about the proposal to buy the building than what was offered to the residents officially.
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Two board members recently left, we hear, and have been replaced by a duo who are wary of the sale, sources said. Sources also told Page Six that 50% of the tenants are now opposed to the Lutnick plan.

Said another source: “There is now a 90-day due-diligence period, then there will be a vote — if two-thirds vote yes, Tory and other VIPs will be evicted from their apartments, albeit with millions in profits in their pockets.”


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Still waiting to see the "sexiest" condo...



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When do you think we can expect design renderings?
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When do you think we can expect design renderings?
This was their statement from August...


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A Naftali Group spokesperson would only say, “We look forward to sharing our vision for the contextual redevelopment of this site with the community in the coming months.”
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The community board (CB8) will be discussing this new proposal in a couple of weeks.


https://www.cb8m.com/event/33716/

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Monday, November 17, 2025 - 6:30 PM

800 Fifth Avenue (Upper East Side Historic District) (Between East 61st and East 62nd Streets) – Robert A.M. Stern Architects (RAMSA) – A Post-modern style building designed by Ulrich Franzen & Associates and constructed in 1979. Application is for partial demolition and reconstruction of residential building.

Stern will be discussing his latest masterpiece.
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Looks like they are indeed gearing up to compete at the Pierre…


https://nypost.com/2025/11/06/us-news/residents-at-luxe-tower-sue-over-secret-deal-to-sell-evict/

Tory Burch leads neighbors in battle over ‘secret’ deal to sell their posh Fifth Ave tower and evict them: suit


By Peter Senzamici
Nov. 6, 2025


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Fashion mogul Tory Burch and a slew of ritzy residents at a famous Fifth Avenue tower are suing over an allegedly shady, secret deal to sell the building and evict the residents, according to new court papers.

Burch and the other embittered elites living at the historic Pierre Hotel say the deal, reportedly valued at $2 billion, has been shrouded in darkness, with the board refusing to produce even basic information to the shareholders.
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The Pierre — which has been the home to celebrities such as Cary Grant, Elizabeth Taylor, Yves Saint Laurent, Aristotle Onassis and Art Garfunkel — is now “under threat of being sold right out from under them without their consent,” the suit claims.

The miffed elites claim that the board signed a term-sheet, or a tentative sale, with a mystery buyer without bringing the deal to a full vote before the co-op’s wealthy residents.

While the deal could make the rich residents even richer, it would require the building to be emptied within a year, the suit claims, and anyone who fails to leave would “forfeit their share of the proceeds.”
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First look at the new 800 5th…


https://commercialobserver.com/2025/11/naftali-ramsa-800-fifth-avenue-redevelopment/






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“Fifth Avenue deserves architecture that matches its timeless character,” Naftali said in a statement. “Partnering again with [Robert A.M. Stern Architects] allows us to create a building that reflects the elegance and permanence of this avenue while meeting the expectations of modern living. We look forward to continuing through the Landmarks and Community Board process to ensure the final design strengthens both the neighborhood and the Fifth Avenue tradition.”

With the Upper East Side Historic District having been designated in 1981, three years after the current building’s construction, Naftali and the architect will need to make their case to Manhattan Community Board 8’s landmarks committee for approval. The plan also will likely go through the Landmarks Preservation Commission before the redevelopment can take place.
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I thought it would be taller
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Lackluster to say the least.
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Although not tall, it is what semi what many of us wanted...a beautiful Stern building that totally fits its location and much better looking than what is currently there.
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Agreed! Calling this lackluster is wild!
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This is going to be incredible. I did not realize that this is in a Historic District and that the height is, therefore, limited. I'm elated to have this new Stern.
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