Is Dallas' core infill being overlooked?

[bilbao58]

Originally Posted by chris08876

Maybe its possible. Really what the area needs is density and population.

With a US population of 355 million by 2040, the estimate, all those folks have to live somewhere.

Maybe at some point in the next few years, the U.S. will undergo a massive building boom that will transform all of our cities and be record shattering!

Are you old enough to remember Theodoric of York saying "NNAAAAHHHH!!!!!"?

[R1070]

Originally Posted by Trae

Why do you want to include those posh suburban style neighborhoods with the core of Midtown Atlanta? That's not an honest or good argument to make here. For the record, Ansley Park is not included in the Midtown neighborhood, and I don't see what's so different about the lowrise side of Midtown east of Ansley versus some other areas nearby Uptown Dallas/Oak Lawn. They actually look quite similar.

Those areas are in Midtown, that's why I mentioned them. Those compared to West Village or State-Thomas (residential vs residential), the ones in Dallas have better pedestrian/urban infrastructure and transit connectivity.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

This must be the world famous Champs-Elysees: https://maps.app.goo.gl/B934Y8kE6TgJYkxc9

In all seriousness, this isn't a bad looking town center for a city of 24k people:

This garish billboard completes it, IMO:
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6606397,...6thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

But yes, nicer downtown than plenty of much larger "cities" in the DFW metroplex.

[Dallaz]

This was posted in the skyscrapers subreddit (original pic) a few days ago and I wanted to share it. You can really see how much high-rise infill that was built the last 10-15+ years in the urban core of Dallas. Now the areas look pretty indistinguishable and basically continuous - Downtown, Cityplace, Oak Lawn, Victory Park, Turtle Creek, Uptown, and Harwood District neighborhoods are all visible.

Screenshot of the pic with a few of the projects plotted. What’s in red is under construction and what’s in black is planned.



23Springs (399 ft) - https://23springs.com

2811 Maple (372 ft) - https://images.app.goo.gl/Fpnjr1Kr8pMFfZJF8)

Rosewood Residences Turtle Creek (height ? - 17 stories) - https://residencesturtlecreek.com

2701 Hood (369 ft) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TAp4XgQXfybjkwYEBUwe6ZFeniSTHC3j/view)

Goldman Sachs at NorthEnd (1st phase) - (2nd phase tallest buildings 620 ft and 560 ft) - https://www.studiotill.com/dallas-north-end

New BOA Tower at Parkside (1st phase 450 ft) - (2nd phase planned tower of the same height with a office and hotel component) - https://www.parksideuptown.com

Hanover Turtle Creek (1st phase 257 ft) - (2nd phase tower is the same height) -https://images.app.goo.gl/pBzoNWSn7qzbrti1A

Four Seasons Turtle Creek (464 ft) - https://3001turtlecreek.com

Fairmount Tower (324 ft) - http://www.alamomanhattan.com/portfolio/fairmount-tower

2500 Cedar Springs (415 ft, 385 ft, 330 ft) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-G8I54a4atEzgw8AAnb0dhqrOmjjSWqH/view

Chalk Hill (412 ft, 343 ft) - https://www.chalkhilldallas.com/

Crescent Point Tower (415 ft) - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e2ZaNgs4kAryRejnKRTIb-pC2KSFPOFx/view

The only mid-rise on the list —> Lincoln Katy Trail - https://www.willowbridgepc.com/lincoln-katy-trail


Some of these buildings (planned or underway) are at their max height for their location. 23Springs was originally 425 ft but was cut down to 399 ft and the planned Four Seasons wanted over 500 ft but got 464 ft. Proximity to Love Field keeps the height capped.

The Kalita Humphreys Theater (in orange) isn’t a high-rise but (just wanted to mention it) you can see it a long Turtle Creek (a forested urban greenbelt and parkway covering 90 acres connecting to the Katy Trail - if you’re unfamiliar it’s like the Belt Line in Atlanta. The Katy Trail connects to all of the urban neighborhoods a long and north of Klyde Warren Park in downtown — Arts District, Victory Park, Uptown, Turtle Creek, Knox-Henderson, and Oak Lawn. Also, a new big development is being built right on the Katy Trail in Knox-Henderson - tallest building 399 ft). It’s the only theater designed by legendary architect Frank Lloyd Wright and unfortunately it’s in disrepair. There are plans to restore it.

[Dariusb]

Love all of the infill development built/being built in the core. Makes me anxious as to how the skyline/cityscape will look in another 10-15 years.

[LivinAWestLife]

Would you say development in Dallas is accelerating? I can see signs that it is but it has to keep going if Dallas is to have a truly urban, walkable centre in the next few decades. At minimum, I'd like to see the same amount of residential towers at the height that Austin builds given its higher population growth, as well as more high-rises in Fort Worth and the other nodes.

[Crawford]

Dallas, most years, builds more housing than any U.S. metro. NYC builds the most MFH by a longshot, but usually Dallas is #1 overall.

It's mostly SFH tho, and even the MFH isn't urban. It's almost entirely those doughnut deals. Downtown Dallas looks about the same as 20 years ago, which isn't true for most U.S. downtowns. Relatively little construction. Tons of multifamily on the Northside, none really urban.

[R1070]

Originally Posted by LivinAWestLife

Would you say development in Dallas is accelerating? I can see signs that it is but it has to keep going if Dallas is to have a truly urban, walkable centre in the next few decades. At minimum, I'd like to see the same amount of residential towers at the height that Austin builds given its higher population growth, as well as more high-rises in Fort Worth and the other nodes.

The hot areas to build highrises in Central Dallas tend to be in areas with height restrictions. Until the tide shifts more toward parts of downtown that do allow more height, having towers at the heights of some of the newer Austin towers will be a while.

[C.]

Dallas is like a wannabe big city. I'm more impressed by the infill development in Houston. Dallas infill development is nothing special.

[Dallaz]

Came across these reddit pics a few days ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/skyscrapers/s/qNuioHGyHU

23Springs is fully cladded in the distance



Red - planned
White - U/C



Pic with downtown posted by the OP in the comments

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by LivinAWestLife

Would you say development in Dallas is accelerating? I can see signs that it is but it has to keep going if Dallas is to have a truly urban, walkable centre in the next few decades. At minimum, I'd like to see the same amount of residential towers at the height that Austin builds given its higher population growth, as well as more high-rises in Fort Worth and the other nodes.

Yep, it is accelerating. Dallas will soon have many of its core urban neighborhoods connected before 2030.

Here's a thread with all of the updates --- including maps I've made, original pics/pics from others, and a list of projects. I totally forgot about this thread and it would take me forever to do all of the updates. I'd say if you don't want to read the whole thing, start on page 29/30 to end. It'll give an overview of all of what's going on. https://www.city-data.com/forum/dallas/3437988-dallas-core-developments-thread.html

That thread will also put to rest the idea that Dallas is a "wannabe" big city. It's the only city in the state with urban neighborhoods with a subway and streetcars, where urban development is actively being built. This isn't a Houston vs Dallas thread, but I don't see how Houston is doing better, when they can't even get BRT off the ground. Nearly all of Dallas' urban neighborhoods are connected to DART light rail or Streetcars. That's not including all of the active infrastructure projects (like complete streets and Deck Parks) to further connect these areas together. Like I said, go through that City-Data thread to get a full picture of what's really going on.

[bilbao58]

^DART's light rail has some ridership problems. While the length of the system is 4x that of Houston's MetroRail, total annual ridership is only 54% higher. Average weekday boardings per mile (Q3 2024) on DART is 680 (24th in US), while on MetroRail it's 1773 (7th in US).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_light_rail_systems

[Dallaz]

Originally Posted by bilbao58

^DART's light rail has some ridership problems. While the length of the system is 4x that of Houston's MetroRail, total annual ridership is only 54% higher. Average weekday boardings per mile (Q3 2024) on DART is 680 (24th in US), while on MetroRail it's 1773 (7th in US).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_light_rail_systems

DART was built with TOD in mind. It didn't start off right initially, but that's slowly changing. Las Colinas Urban Center, the planned University Hills development, Mockingbird Station, and The Central development are a few examples of infill occurring around DART stations.