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Idea for L'esplanade Laurier: Dymon Mega Storage!!!
How about you convert it to storage without renovating? Then you could use it for raves (if the kids are still doing that kind of thing).
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Lots of arenas are on regular city streets: Winnipeg, Washington, Boston, Detroit, Maple Leaf Gardens.
Do you mean Gardens and not ACC? Most arenas built in the 20s and 30s were within a city block. The Forum and Ottawa's Aud are other examples.

Not sure I would place Boston since it's surrounded on two sides by highway, or ACC (if that's what you meant) since it was not a City block when it was built, but Winnipeg, Washington and Detroit are good examples. There are others.

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True. Boston is right by the I-93 bridge, so it has an impact on the skyline. The others don't really. But given the state of our skyline in Ottawa, some added visual interest would be a big plus. Think of the pre-game shots over the river to Lebreton. That is solid advertising for the city. A pre-game pan down Gloucester St. wouldn't have quite the same impact.
Reminds me of the library debate; build in within the CBD for easy access and add a destination to the area, or LeBreton where we can build a landmark that stands on its own.
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That escalated quickly.

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Federal government aiming to dispose of half of its office buildings with hybrid work here to stay

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CTV News, May 30, 2023
https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/federal-go...stay-1.6419665
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Old Posted Jun 2, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Federal public works department aims to cut up to half its office space
New blow to Ottawa office market, but some see a chance to re-imagine the city

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Jun 02, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago


The federal public works department, which has almost seven million square metres of real estate, is looking to cut its office footprint by up to half in another blow to Ottawa's weak office market.

The influx of properties could flood the market, but also present a chance to re-imagine the city, according to local real estate and business leaders.

Paul Thompson, the deputy minister of Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), said the government was already inefficient in using its real estate before the pandemic, though the move to a hybrid-work model has further cut its needs.

"That obviously reduces the overall requirement for office space, which is being taken into account in decisions that we make on lease renewals and what buildings in the Crown-owned portfolio do we retain," he told members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Expenditures on Monday.

"Obviously we see an opportunity for a fairly significant reduction in the coming years."

Thompson said government departments are now reporting their needs for office space, as PSPC renews its 10-year plan in light of the hybrid-work model. That will mean savings on rent plus income from sales, but also investment outlays to get the properties ready for sale.

"Our previous target was to reduce the portfolio by 40 per cent. We now think we can reduce it closer to 50 per cent as a target," Thompson said.

The federal government holds about 29 million square metres of floor space across the country, with the largest chunk in the hands of the Department of National Defence. PSPC has the second biggest portion, with 6.9 million square metres. Much of that, though not all, is office space. More than half — about 3.8 million square metres — is in the Ottawa-Gatineau area.

The department recently released a disposal list of 10 properties up for sale in the capital region, including downtown's L'Esplanade Laurier and a prominent tower at Tunney's Pasture.

The department's announcement of a 50 per cent target took commercial real estate brokers by surprise, said Michael Church, managing director at Avison Young Ottawa. He said the department floated a much lower number at a recent real estate forum.

Church already noticed a pause in Ottawa office development given the move to hybrid work, and the deeper federal reductions are likely to add to those pressures.

"If you're going to give back a large, relatively large footprint relative to the market, I think that certainly it will spark a pause," he said.

Church said he's confident the market will recover, though it will take time.

"The recovery won't happen as quickly as it did in the early 90s and coming out of 2007-08, when we had the last economic crunch," he said. "It may take a little bit longer than that, just because there's a large volume of property that's coming back."

Church sees opportunities to convert several federal properties into housing, including the Tunney's Pasture tower now up for sale, though others might have to be demolished. He called the L'Esplanade Laurier site a prime location to start from scratch and build a mixed-use development.

"Not all buildings are suitable for conversion, that much is pretty clear. You think about residential versus office space, just the whole plumbing question and the core drilling that has to happen," he said.

"It's a very expensive process and one that has to be carefully looked at."

Sueling Ching, CEO of the Ottawa Board of Trade, hopes the properties come up for sale quickly. She'd prefer to see them occupied by new tenants soon, rather than sitting idle as federal workers stay home.

"A lot of those buildings were already underutilized, and so the worst-case scenario would be for them to hold on to those properties and never have anybody there," she said.

She also wants more transparency from the federal government about when it will dispose of its real estate, so business leaders can plan.

"Let's not just get them on the market, but have very thoughtful and strategic conversations with the communities that will be impacted, including Ottawa, so that there is a common vision among both the private and the public sector for what is the highest and best uses for those properties," said Ching.

"I think the end result will be positive."

PSPC said in a statement that it consults with provinces, cities and Indigenous groups as part of the disposal process, and noted using federal buildings for affordable housing, commercial or community space can generate important economic and social benefits.

It said no purchases have yet been made.

"This process can take several years," the statement said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...pace-1.6861672
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How about you convert it to storage without renovating? Then you could use it for raves (if the kids are still doing that kind of thing).
Yeah, if the things weren't rife with designated substances such as lead, asbestos, and etc.
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Federal public works department aims to cut up to half its office space
New blow to Ottawa office market, but some see a chance to re-imagine the city

Arthur White-Crummey · CBC News
Posted: Jun 02, 2023 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago


The federal public works department, which has almost seven million square metres of real estate, is looking to cut its office footprint by up to half in another blow to Ottawa's weak office market.

The influx of properties could flood the market, but also present a chance to re-imagine the city, according to local real estate and business leaders.

Paul Thompson, the deputy minister of Public Services and Procurement Canada (PSPC), said the government was already inefficient in using its real estate before the pandemic, though the move to a hybrid-work model has further cut its needs.

"That obviously reduces the overall requirement for office space, which is being taken into account in decisions that we make on lease renewals and what buildings in the Crown-owned portfolio do we retain," he told members of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Expenditures on Monday.

"Obviously we see an opportunity for a fairly significant reduction in the coming years."

Thompson said government departments are now reporting their needs for office space, as PSPC renews its 10-year plan in light of the hybrid-work model. That will mean savings on rent plus income from sales, but also investment outlays to get the properties ready for sale.

"Our previous target was to reduce the portfolio by 40 per cent. We now think we can reduce it closer to 50 per cent as a target," Thompson said.

The federal government holds about 29 million square metres of floor space across the country, with the largest chunk in the hands of the Department of National Defence. PSPC has the second biggest portion, with 6.9 million square metres. Much of that, though not all, is office space. More than half — about 3.8 million square metres — is in the Ottawa-Gatineau area.

The department recently released a disposal list of 10 properties up for sale in the capital region, including downtown's L'Esplanade Laurier and a prominent tower at Tunney's Pasture.

The department's announcement of a 50 per cent target took commercial real estate brokers by surprise, said Michael Church, managing director at Avison Young Ottawa. He said the department floated a much lower number at a recent real estate forum.

Church already noticed a pause in Ottawa office development given the move to hybrid work, and the deeper federal reductions are likely to add to those pressures.

"If you're going to give back a large, relatively large footprint relative to the market, I think that certainly it will spark a pause," he said.

Church said he's confident the market will recover, though it will take time.

"The recovery won't happen as quickly as it did in the early 90s and coming out of 2007-08, when we had the last economic crunch," he said. "It may take a little bit longer than that, just because there's a large volume of property that's coming back."

Church sees opportunities to convert several federal properties into housing, including the Tunney's Pasture tower now up for sale, though others might have to be demolished. He called the L'Esplanade Laurier site a prime location to start from scratch and build a mixed-use development.

"Not all buildings are suitable for conversion, that much is pretty clear. You think about residential versus office space, just the whole plumbing question and the core drilling that has to happen," he said.

"It's a very expensive process and one that has to be carefully looked at."

Sueling Ching, CEO of the Ottawa Board of Trade, hopes the properties come up for sale quickly. She'd prefer to see them occupied by new tenants soon, rather than sitting idle as federal workers stay home.

"A lot of those buildings were already underutilized, and so the worst-case scenario would be for them to hold on to those properties and never have anybody there," she said.

She also wants more transparency from the federal government about when it will dispose of its real estate, so business leaders can plan.

"Let's not just get them on the market, but have very thoughtful and strategic conversations with the communities that will be impacted, including Ottawa, so that there is a common vision among both the private and the public sector for what is the highest and best uses for those properties," said Ching.

"I think the end result will be positive."

PSPC said in a statement that it consults with provinces, cities and Indigenous groups as part of the disposal process, and noted using federal buildings for affordable housing, commercial or community space can generate important economic and social benefits.

It said no purchases have yet been made.

"This process can take several years," the statement said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...pace-1.6861672
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I guess this confirms that half the businesses will also now have to move out of downtown.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2023, 2:34 AM
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I guess this confirms that half the businesses will also now have to move out of downtown.
Why is that? The feds leaving these buildings makes them available for other users. If there's a surplus of available office space, downtown can become a very affordable market for startups/other business.
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Old Posted Jun 3, 2023, 3:00 AM
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The DND building is in such a good location, especially that tunnel that connects to Rideau. Would love for them to incorporate a few towers there. Would be a huge addition to Rideau and Laurier
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Why is that? The feds leaving these buildings makes them available for other users. If there's a surplus of available office space, downtown can become a very affordable market for startups/other business.
We are already seeing business leaving downtown. It will take years for adjustments to be made to make up for the federal departure, which already took effect with the beginning of the pandemic in 2020.
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We are already seeing business leaving downtown. It will take years for adjustments to be made to make up for the federal departure, which already took effect with the beginning of the pandemic in 2020.
It could take a while which is why the city should make every effort to speed up the process. Similar with the business community. I'm glad a decision was made which at least allows movement.
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The problem is the government is abandoning buildings it doesn’t want to fix. It is going to be a decades long process for the private sector to fix or demolish/rebuild, even if there is demand (which isn’t clear).

I worked in Esplanade Laurier 20 years ago. Even then it was in a deplorable state, the tap water wasn’t even drinkable.
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L'Esplanade will almost surely be torn down to make way for the next 3 x 27 story Charcwhites courtesy of Claridge + Neuf/RLA.
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The DND building is in such a good location, especially that tunnel that connects to Rideau. Would love for them to incorporate a few towers there. Would be a huge addition to Rideau and Laurier
I saw in the Hill Times that DND will keep people in that building until at least 2035---spend 78 million bucks on renos.
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Feds need to be ‘more transparent’ about downtown office plans, major landlord says

David Sali, OBJ
June 2, 2023 4:54 PM ET


The head of the city’s largest property management firm says the federal government needs to be “much more transparent” about what it plans to do with its downtown office footprint so landlords can start preparing now for future vacancies.

Colonnade BridgePort chief executive Hugh Gorman told OBJ he’s disappointed with Public Service and Procurement Canada’s piecemeal approach to releasing information about what local office properties it wants to dispose of and how much it plans to trim its leased office component as it reviews its 10-year plan.

“They’re relying on people to go find the information as opposed to (being) up front and explaining what’s going on so that everybody can understand and plan and adapt,” Gorman said in an interview on Friday afternoon.

“There’s some urgency to this. We don’t have forever to respond. The downtown core is hurting right now. The city, the real estate community, downtown businesses shouldn’t have to be trying to fill in the gaps about what this really means. PSPC needs to be transparent about what it means.”

Gorman was responding to PSPC deputy minister Paul Thompson’s statement to a House of Commons committee earlier this week that the department now expects to reduce its office portfolio by up to 50 per cent over the next decade as opposed to its previous target of 40 per cent amid an ongoing shift to hybrid work.

The federal government has more than 300 million square feet of space across the country, most of it held by the Department of National Defence. PSPC controls the second-biggest chunk of space, with about 74 million square feet – nearly 67 million square feet of which is devoted to office use.

More than half of PSPC’s office footprint – about 41 million square feet – is located in the National Capital Region, consisting of a “combination of Crown-owned, leased, and lease-purchased office space,” according to the department.

Last month, PSPC released a list of 10 office buildings in the Ottawa region it plans to put up for sale, including the L’Esplanade Laurier complex and the Sir Charles Tupper Building on Riverside Drive.

Meanwhile, the department said this week it’s still evaluating “how to best optimize” its leased office portfolio.

“We continue to work with client departments and agencies to establish their long-term office space requirements,” it said in a statement to OBJ. “We will use this information to assess where and how many leases need to be renewed.”

Gorman said the feds have been “foreshadowing” their desire to offload more office space for “some time.” But he said PSPC needs to be clearer about its objectives.

“A lack of information creates uncertainty,” said Gorman, whose firm manages more than nine million square feet of space and rents about 25 per cent of it to the federal government. “Capital doesn’t like uncertainty. It smells like risk, and capital avoids risk.”

As the government shifts its portfolio to more energy-efficient buildings in a bid to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, private-sector landlords want to know what investments they’ll need to make and which properties will most likely require upgrades, he added.

“What we need them to say is, ‘This is what our accommodation requirements are and we think our footprint in Ottawa will be X in two years and X minus Y in three years … and the market will have to react to that,” he explained.

“People need to understand what that looks like. Because if you’re going to reinvest in a building to meet their standards for leased accommodation, you need capital to do that. If there’s uncertainty, it’s hard to raise that capital. If (PSPC) is not going to be clear about those things, then how do they expect the market to … be able to accommodate them and upgrade their buildings, green the buildings, to meet those standards?”

Michael Church, managing director of Avison Young’s Ottawa office, agreed that the uncertainty surrounding the feds’ plans is making the market a bit skittish.

“That’s absolutely true,” he said. “I know exactly where (Gorman) is coming from.”

Still, Gorman and other real estate insiders said they expect the market to regain strength over time as property owners retrofit newer buildings and convert older, decaying properties to other uses such as residential complexes.

“I think quite frankly the industry was a little too reliant on the feds in the past,” Gorman said. “We’re going to have to adapt. I think what you’re going to see is a natural greening of the portfolio. High-quality buildings are still going to be targets for occupancy from the feds. I think it’s more of an opportunity than it is a challenge in the long haul.”

Louis Karam, managing director of CBRE’s Ottawa office, said the federal government’s move to cut its office portfolio will be a “long, slow process” that will give owners time to adjust and reimagine their properties.

“Landlords need to invest in their buildings … in order to attract tenants and employees back to the office,” Karam said.

“This is going to put a little bit more pressure on the class-C buildings in our downtown that will have no choice but to look at conversion, whether it’s into multi-res, whether it’s attracting the life science sector. The private sector is going to have to find a way to absorb it over time, and I think it’s going to be better for the city in the long run.”

https://obj.ca/feds-transparent-downtown-office/
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On what basis is he thinking that government has a plan, as opposed to an intention?
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I saw in the Hill Times that DND will keep people in that building until at least 2035---spend 78 million bucks on renos.
That’s really too bad. The DND site is my dream location for a new downtown arena. On LRT, close to the highway / major cross-town streets, huge walk-up potential from the market, lowertown, Sandy Hill, centretown, existing nightlife from the market/Elgin, nearby hotels and convention space for the league to use for events (drafts, ASG).

Imagine being able to skate down the canal to a game in the middle of winter?!
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L'Esplanade will almost surely be torn down to make way for the next 3 x 27 story Charcwhites courtesy of Claridge + Neuf/RLA.
Don't know if you're joking or not. In any case, that is probably exactly what will happen. Maybe they'll try to squeeze in 4 or 5. Make another Rideau out of Laurier.

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I saw in the Hill Times that DND will keep people in that building until at least 2035---spend 78 million bucks on renos.
Huge disappointment. Of all the buildings, this is the one that could have the most positive impact from the Feds off-loading it.

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On what basis is he thinking that government has a plan, as opposed to an intention?
Seriously, Government doesn't have plans. It has general ideas that will be studied to death. we probably have 10 years before a single building goes up on the market.

If anything, this may be a boon for the private sector. I could see the Feds selling off their own buildings and moving employees to privately owned buildings. They still need space for the 2-3 days a week federal workers go into the office, just less of it.
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DND building is an embarrassment of the city. Can't wait until they get their asses and their Maximum Security theatre out of here.



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They're not going anywhere, are they? The High Heidyins want to be close to power.
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